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by lazyasciiart 1123 days ago
> Keep in mind, at the time of hiring, there is real demand,

That seems like a big claim for which I haven't seen any evidence.

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> That seems like a big claim for which I haven't seen any evidence.

Umm... the entire basis for the article was that there was a belief that market conditions at the time would remain true "forever". That's a very different delusion from thinking there isn't something there.

...and there's plenty of evidence that there was real demand. Real revenue grew significantly during that time. Streaming services saw significant increases in subscriptions. Computer sales were up. In tech in general, sales were up across the board. If you haven't seen any evidence of increases in demand during that time period, I don't think you'll ever see evidence of increases in demand.

Sounds like you're equating 'demand for more engineers' with 'available cash' for any given company. I think you're mistaking demand for ability to purchase.
No.

You can have dramatic gains in revenue, increased sales, increased subscribers, etc., and less 'available cash'. What you do have is more demand.

Increased sales do not intrinsically require more engineers at most companies. It is possible for some companies to have required increasing engineering resources to cope with scale. But the vast majority of hiring was for people to work on future additional features to attract more customers. Zoom, Rec Room, DocuSign, and some other companies in that direct line of moving work and socializing online, yes. Facebook, Google, Salesforce, almost everyone? No.
Companies generally don't require more engineers, ever.

However, if there is demand for your product, engineers are a good way to make it better. If you don't make it better, that demand will go to a vendor who does.

Either way, if you believe these companies never needed the engineers in the first place, it is an entirely separate claim from the claims in this article.

I was addressing the claim that you made.

And I'm not presenting some amazing new idea. People have been discussing for years that these companies hire people just to have them, not for business goals.

"“They hire everybody, whether they need it or not, just to have a reserve of talent,” he says. “They can afford it.” " https://www.wsj.com/articles/these-tech-workers-say-they-wer...

""The worst part of working at Google for me was, as for many others, feeling under-utilized. " (7 years ago) https://www.quora.com/What-can-a-prospective-or-new-Googler-...

"Most people I know of who quit Google did so because they feel they were underutilized" (14 years ago! https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/9qeuq/i_quit_my_job_a...)

Sorry, that should read "That's a very different delusion from thinking there is something there that isn't."