[fabian2k]

So Ukraine is moving closer to NATO due to a fear of offensive actions from Russia, and that is your justification for actually attacking them and invading their country? Ukraine was obviously justified in seeking a military alliance to protect itself against illegal invasions.

This argument is essentially denying Ukraine's right to sovereignty. It's a bad and disingenous justification for a wholly illegal and unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country.

[bombolo]

You're confusing the cause and the effect.

The invasion happened after the unofficial joining of nato, obviously.

Do you really think there is a country that would not react if a very big neighbouring country were to join an enemy military alliance?

[s1artibartfast]

If you are in an armed standoff with someone, you have to need a lot of trust to let them point a gun at your head in self-defense.

How high do you let the gun get before you consider it provocation?