[rvz]

> No one outside Apple chooses Shift unless they want to build something in Apple's ecosystem.

“No one”

Yet The Browser Company (The one that is hyping the Arc Browser) is writing their browser in Swift to support Windows. [0] which that is their main product.

The Browser Company is not “No one”.

[0] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa_fNuaSE_I

EDIT: So this video doesn't show someone choosing Swift outside of Apple and using on a different platform (Windows) and doesn't disprove the claim of "No one outside Apple chooses Swift"?

Surely you can do better than some of the very low effort replies below.

[ohgodplsno]

The Browser Company is absolutely no one. They're barely more influent than me creating a repo on github, and that kind of impact is pretty damn low as is. They're a 0.000% browser share company that runs a tight marketing campaign of only inviting tech influencers to their browser. Mind you, said browser has good ideas, great ones even. But overall, they're absolutely no one.

iOS/macOS devs use Swift on other platforms because it's the only language they know, yeepidodadey. Ignore the fact that 99% of their project is cinterop with Chromium

[iknowstuff]

The who

[olliej]

Yet another chrome wrapper, but with VC funding.

[rvz]

And?

Brave (VC funded) is also a Chromium wrapper and Edge (Microsoft owned) is also one as well and both of the somehow managed to beat Firefox in usage. So what is you point?

Chrome and its derivatives is the reason why browsers like Firefox is failing to keep up and continues to lose users.

Using anything other than Chrome for a modern web browser is a losing battle. (Brave already tried that with Firefox and quickly switched to Chrome)

[olliej]

> And?

I was answering a question asking what it was. Are you saying my answer was wrong?

> Brave (VC funded) is also a Chromium wrapper and Edge (Microsoft owned) is also one as well and both of the somehow managed to beat Firefox in usage.

Well that's just false.

Firefox has 7.7% marketshare.

Brave comes in at less than 1 tenth of a percent.

Edge, does better after all it is the _default_ browser on the most popular desktop OS by a massive margin. It gets <6% of the market.

So Firefox has greater market share than both of those combined.

> Chrome and its derivatives is the reason why browsers like Firefox is failing to keep up and continues to lose users.

You mean Chrome. None of the "derivatives" other than Edge (due to default browser syndrome) and Opera (which gets 2%) have any marketshare, and neither does anything to prevent Google from doing whatever it wants.

> Using anything other than Chrome for a modern web browser is a losing battle.

The reason is very very simple: Chrome is the modern IE, and making content that only works in Chrome (or wrappers) is considered acceptable by the same mediocre developers that made IE only sites a decade ago.

On the other hand, I get where you are coming from: people also said the same thing about using anything other than IE.

[o1y32]

Everyone knew IE was going away. Chrome is not, from what we can see, and is not going away any time soon. If anything, Chrome/Chromium-based browsers are eating other browsers' lunch, just look at the numbers. I absolutely hate Chrome doing their own non-standard things, but you live in a special bubble.

[olliej]

> Everyone knew IE was going away.

No. That's an exciting fictional world in which you live, and was not the case. Even in the last years preceding Google's chrome release and massive marketing push, when Firefox and Safari were taking "significant" marketshare, it was assumed IE would be forever, and IE-only sites were still common (and the norm in "enterprise" software).

There is literally no difference between a developer that says everyone uses/should use chrome, and a developer a decade ago saying the same thing about IE.

[rvz]

You know who. [0]

[0] https://arc.net

[scns]

The band?

Sorry for the joke, know it is frowned upon, did it anyway.