[swang]

I have a very old account that I still use for some email forwards to my main account. Even though I can verify all the other requirements, since I haven’t logged into that account with a machine it recognizes that I still have, apparently I will never be able to log into the account. Literally nothing can be done because google would rather take the easy way to handle this.

[zbrozek]

I have an account that I made in 2005 that can't get past the circle of login nonsense even though I can provide verification codes when it emails the "backup account". What's the point of the secondary account if you can't use it to log in?

There are now email addresses of some friends from my youth (before I wised up and stopped letting my Google account hold important data) forever locked away where I can't get to them. I'd probably have to work at Google to have any chance at all of recovering.

Scroogled indeed.

[dannyphantom]

I’ve (slowly) begun to make an archive of all my Google data so it will be less-awful should something ever happen. Your story scares the crap out of me because I (already) have an account that I’ll never be able to access again either - c’est la vie but it still stinks to know that a large part of my life is locked behind a metaphorical prison.

[NoZebra120vClip]

You know about Takeout, right?

[noisy_boy]

If it is just email, it is more ergonomic to setup a local POP client like Thunderbird to download the emails. You don't have to use it to send email, just configure once and bring it up regularly to fetch the emails. I have a full copy of my gmail mailbox this way (already moved banking/govt services to fastmail anyway).

[tempestn]

Yeah, this is what I do for email as well. Lets you seamlessly transition your backup to another service if/when you stop using gmail too. Though I use imap rather than pop, so that I don't end up with duplicates or other weirdness. (I keep incremental backups of the drive where the email is stored, so I'm not worried about a situation where both the cloud and backup copies get wiped.)

[NoZebra120vClip]

Here's the difference between IMAP and POP3. IMAP is a cloud service client, and POP3 is a store-and-forward, more or less. When you configure IMAP, you're operating on files on the server, and some or all of them may be cached, but the client will want to synchronize state with the server at all times. With POP3 you can specify "Leave on server" or "Delete from server". The POP client simply connects once and downloads everything (or everything that's new) and then you definitely have local copies of all those messages.

POP3 is good for use cases where you're rapidly migrating out and you want to wipe the messages clean, server-side. Or, if you believe the server will play hijinks with your messages or folders in some way, POP3 will give you a snapshot from time of download.

[iudqnolq]

Have you ever tried to takeout a large amount of data across many services? Describing it as a process you do slowly is entirely fair.

[prepend]

For me, I just used google takeout to generate a giant 18gig zip and then I downloaded it. I do that once a year. It takes a long time to download, but it’s actually fairly quick and I wouldn’t describe it as a slow process.

[kevincox]

For me there are always a bunch of services that fail or are missing some data. So you need to keep retrying.

[prepend]

With google takeout? I’ve never experienced that and subsequent downloads always yield the same results.

[Nicholas_C]

Where/how do you backup your takeout data?

[prepend]

A synology NAS and aws glacier.

[crazygringo]

Why does it matter if it's slow or fast? Because it's easy, regardless.

You just click the boxes for the services you want, it e-mails you when it's ready minutes/hours later, and you download the file(s) at the speed of your internet connection.

Considering it has to zip up many gigabytes of data from various sources, it works at an entirely reasonable speed.

The idea that it's too slow to be of value is a reason not to use it makes no sense.

Do you just not make backups of your data at all, because backups take hours?

[toomuchtodo]

You can auth it to your Dropbox account if you have one and they will export to it on a cadence into the /Apps folder.

[chasingthewind]

I have a similar story with a major ISP. I had their service 20 years ago but eventually switched to a different provider. They let me keep my email address, however, and I set it to auto forward to my new address. I have long since lost the ability to log into that original account, but it is still happily forwarding emails to this very day. They are always scams or junk. :P

[Tozen]

Actually, there are opinions that Google exploits locked out accounts, to extract and sell all of its data (to include gov't organizations). It appears while the person still has access to the account, there are limits to how Google can exploit the data it contains.

When the account is locked out, after a set period of time, Google can do whatever it wants with such data without limitations. The number of locked out accounts, in which Google has and could totally and fully exploit, is likely staggering and beyond what many can imagine.

[0cf8612b2e1e]

This answers a question I have idly wondered- if I have setup email forwarding, but get locked out of the account, will Google continue to forward the address? So, probably best to configure it while I can.