[sammorrowdrums]

Well Apple Pay, running/tracking apps and listening to music via Bluetooth all work without phone. And I don’t have the model with internal sim, maybe more stuff works with that version.

I agree you need the phone too, but at least I’ve been able to track a run while listening to music on my headphones and pay for water after my flask broke all without a phone present.

I think we’re close to just the watch but I’d be damned if I want to dictate messages etc. The screen size and lack of input devices definitely holds it back from being genuinely standalone.

[cyberlurker]

I am blown away by how bad using other music apps on the Apple Watch can be for listening without a phone (and no sim).

I haven’t tried in some time but about a year ago YouTube Music wouldn’t work at all and Spotify was janky. I started my run and after the buffer was exhausted my music stopped playing even though I thought I had downloaded it onto the watch.

Probably the solution is Apple Music but that is annoying.