[em-bee]

"Everyone gotta have ID because what if there is voter fraud"...even if it eliminates the right to vote for some people.

how does having an ID eliminate the right to vote?

"Everyone gotta carry REAL ID because what if some people are illegal"...even if the delay in getting REAL ID causes legal people to lose their jobs.

how about fixing the delay then?

these seem non-problems to me. at least they are non-problems here. an ID or a passport is required from the age of 16, and you can apply for it early enough. passports are issued even from birth. there should never be a situation where you don't have an ID unless you forget to renew it. and even then, if there is real urgency and you can't wait a few weeks, you can get a temporary ID. so noone is going to loose their job over this, and noone is prevented from voting.

[WirelessGigabit]

You are absolutely not required to get an ID or passport at the age of 16.

You can walk on the streets without carrying ID, unlike many European countries.

Because of the driving culture in the USA not driving / having a DL means you need to take other steps to get an ID.

But the law does not require you to have an ID.

In general I do like the idea of having to prove ID when voting / for work, however I am weary of the government collecting so much data. The less they know about me the better.

Same goes with DLs. I give my address, DMV sells it and I get car warranty spam. Should be illegal.

[em-bee]

i was talking about the country where i am from, and here you absolutely are required to have a government issued ID.

i got my first personal ID i think at 16, but since i was traveling a lot i also had a passport and decided that i didn't need to bother with having a personal ID too. the personal ID displays my home address, while the passport doesn't. a tiny win for my privacy whenever i need to show an ID.

even without an ID here everyone needs to have their address registered for tax purposes (because you pay taxes where you live) so the government already has that information. the ID doesn't give them any data they don't already have.

[nine_zeros]

Of course, fix the delay. Do it. Show me the will to address these problems.

[em-bee]

that's the real issue.