[ramses]

There's another kind of applications, besides dev tools, that's going to be affected by this.

I'm a user of one of Apple's "pro" applications, Logic Pro 9, a top music recording software (or DAW). I started using it long before it was put in the appstore, and was surprised when they moved it there, as it was a 5 DVD install.

Anyways ... the tool interacts with plugins written in a Logic Pro independent standard, VST. It burns CDs. It manipulates midi through wifi, usb, and firewire. It reads third party provided sound samples and loops. It manipulates analog instrument interfaces through firewire ...

Is Apple going to cripple Logic Studio? Or will they also have to take their "pro" software out of the appstore?

[Ryanmf]

Mainstage is in the Mac App Store as well, nothing about Rewire support is consistent with MAS guidelines.

Unfortunately, it appears this may be a "do as I say, not as I do" situation.

[batista]

Unfortunately, how?

The whole point of sandboxing is to reduce the damage a badly written or mal-intended application can do to a system.

Surely Apple TRUSTS their own apps.

[Ryanmf]

Are you dense?

It's unfortunate for users, rational beings who, having spent several hundred/thousand dollars on pro applications, can generally expect not to be served malware. I don't really need Apple's assistance to ensure that Ableton doesn't sell me a trojan. If they do, I have my lawyer's number in my phone, we know who to sue, we've got it covered. It's unfortunate that the way the rules are currently written, no pro media application will be able to take advantage of iCloud functionality…except of course the ones that Apple sells.

I don't care who Apple trusts. And if the answer to "Who does Apple trust?" is "No one but Apple," that says more negative things about Apple than it does about the tens of thousands of software developers, large and small, who aren't Apple.

[batista]

Are you dense? It's unfortunate for users, rational beings who, having spent several hundred/thousand dollars on pro applications, can generally expect not to be served malware. I don't really need Apple's assistance to ensure that Ableton doesn't sell me a trojan.

You might be dense. Who said it's only for trojans? I wrote "to reduce the damage a badly written or mal-intended application can do to a system".

Sandboxing is not only about malware. If, for example, Live has a bug that eats your home directory, it won't have its day under sandboxing.

And who said anything different will happen to Live or anything? It's not in the App Store, and you will STILL be able to run it. The change is for App Store applications.

[mburns]

In contrast to Google, whose malware auto-detection algorithms will still flag Google-owned domains.

[recoiledsnake]

>Is Apple going to cripple Logic Studio? Or will they also have to take their "pro" software out of the appstore?

The answer is simple, Apple's apps will have special access that will make them better than 3rd party apps which have to jump through all these hoops.

[sern]

The current version of Xcode, released yesterday (two weeks prior to the sandboxing deadline), contains no code signing entitlements and hence is not sandboxed.

[jdq]

Except that you just made this up. Do you really think Apple doesn't know people are on the lookout for just such behavior?

[recoiledsnake]

What can anyone do about it really? They hide behind the 'is not a monopoly' excuse and there's nothing anyone can do.

[sukuriant]

If true, didn't Microsoft do that a long time ago... with Internet Exporer?

[batista]

Anyways ... the tool interacts with plugins written in a Logic Pro independent standard, VST.

Actually, Logic Pro does not interact with VST plugins at all. It interacts with AU (Audio Unit) plugins. Plugins like Native Instrument's etc that come as VST plugins also come in AU versions.

Is Apple going to cripple Logic Studio?

No, Apple is not going to cripple Logic Studio. They even said so, a few months ago.

Or will they also have to take their "pro" software out of the appstore?

They can also do whatever they want with THEIR apps in the appstore, like have them there despite not implementing sanboxing, or giving them arbitrary sanboxing rights (after all, Apple TRUSTS their own apps not to be malware).