[mistercow]

Look at the five design goals of Dart: http://www.dartlang.org/docs/technical-overview/index.html#g...

Of those five, the only one that CoffeeScript doesn't emphasize is "high performance/fast startup", which basically can't be a goal for a language without its own VM or JIT.

It seems to me that focusing on adding this one emphasis to CoffeeScript would make a lot more sense than making yet another not-exactly-Java.

[swannodette]

Read closer - those goals are modeled around the 5 perceived problems enumerated below them. Those aren't the kinds of problems that CoffeeScript purports to address at all. CoffeeScript for better or worse is mostly "Just JavaScript"

[mistercow]

> Those aren't the kinds of problems that CoffeeScript purports to address at all.

Right. I think Dart's general goals are good, but I think they're wrong about how to go about it. I don't think most of the "problems" they enumerate are actually the obstacles that prevent their listed goals from being achieved. I think they are things that bother programmers whose thinking has been infected by too much Java.