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by tescocles 1123 days ago
I'm not really well-versed in this kind of thing to make any particular comments, but this made me rage:

>Please reply to this message by 05.10.2023 to let us know that you received it and intend to make the applicable changes.

How effing arrogant do you have to be to say something like this? No "please respond and we can talk about it", it's "please confirm you know we're the big guys, and you're going to do what we say".

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But nice of them to give the site four and a half months to think about it.
That deadline passed 12 days ago
Impossible, what madman would use a date-format that goes $MONTH.$DAY.$YEAR that basically have a random order instead of $DAY.$MONTH.$YEAR or $YEAR.$MONTH.$DAY? No one would be that crazy, it's too ambiguous to be useful.

It's clearly intended to be 5th of October, 2023.

(This may or may not be sarcasm, in case people may not or may misunderstand)

I'm not american, but they always seem to do month.day.year for some bizarre reason
I'm not american, but they always seem to do month.day.year for some bizarre reason

It's one of those things that America inherited from England, and then when England changed its method, the Americans saw no need to change because it wasn't part of England anymore.†

If you go into antiques stores in England, you will find that with items that are engraved, the older it is, the more likely it will have the now-American date format.

There was an item on Antiques Roadshow a couple of months ago that was a gift from Queen Victoria to someone that had an engraving that included the American date format.

† This is true for a surprising number of minor differences between America and England. In life, it's often better to understand the history of things, rather than just ignorantly write off a group of people as bizarre.

I thought the Americans use MM/dd/YY. As soon as I see a dot "." instead of "/" I assume a "normal" day-month order.
I wouldn't expect them to be that precise, especially when they misspell their client's name as OPENAL
I use MM.DD.YY just to confuse people :)
It's because we write the numerals in the same order as the longer form: May 10th, 2023 becomes 5/10/23.
Not American, and maybe it's a cultural difference but in England it's much more common to say "the 10th of May".

Then again, we write our dates in a more sensible manner. I suppose it's time to link to the old sapir whorf hypothesis[0] to explain the difference.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity

i'm aMerican and I always use year-month-day
Same here but I'm also a programmer, YYYY-MM-DD
Right ISO 8601... in SQL Server it's the unambiguous format
I'm an American who agrees. YY/MM/DD is the only reasonable order.
I think that's because that's how the full date is spoken. It's "September Eleventh" not "Eleventh of September". If someone said "My birthday is twenty-seventh of November" I would wonder if they're a synth.
But outside US, '11th of September' IS how it's said
I'm American (South American, to be more precise) and we do DD/MM/YYYY around here.
Maybe that has something to do with feet and inches instead of metric.
I wonder how that would play out in court. Is it a valid defence to say that you responded a few months late because your local jurisdiction uses DD-MM-YYYY?
Response not due till October though.
And that's why I always write month as a word
irb(main):008:0> Date.parse("05.10.2023") => #<Date: 2023-10-05 ((2460223j,0s,0n),+0s,2299161j)>

Should be for October 5, according to that format.

Yeah, if you insist on using your weird American date format, use "May 10th, 2023" or at least "05/10/2023" to make it less ambiguous, using dots implies DD.MM.YYYY the same way as using dashes implies YYYY-MM-DD...
> use "May 10th, 2023" or at least "05/10/2023" to make it less ambiguous, using dots implies DD.MM.YYYY the same way as using dashes implies YYYY-MM-DD...

For most of the world, using slashes also implies DD/MM/YYYY. For instance, I would write today's date as 17/05/2023.

The good news is on a dozen days during the year the US and the ROW are on the same page (MM/MM/YYYY or DD/DD/YYYY if you prefer).

Somebody should check if those days are generally associated with fewer accidents, higher stock returns and a pronounced sense of global peace and harmony

The letter is a demand for action that assumes a conflict exists and the client is correct. It is standard. The recipient can acknowledge and agree or acknowledge and disagree.
AFAIK this is fairly standard lawyer-speak.