[Maursault]

> Just yesterday I started using a new maxed out Mac mini and everything about it is snappy.

Really?! I didn't think anyone here would fall for that.

      Mac Mini 12-core M2, 19-core GPU, 32GB, 10Gbit, 8TB storage? $4500

      Mac Studio 20-core M1, 48-core GPU, 64GB, 10Gbit, 1TB storage is $4000. 128GB of RAM is $800 more

but either Studio RAM configuration obviously spanks the M2 mini. It's sacrificing Apple's expensive storage, but with Thunderbolt 3 it's pretty academic to find 8TB or more of NVMe storage, probably 32GB of NVMe RAID[1], for less than Apple's charge of $2200 above cost of 1TB.

[1] https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/express-4m2

[detourdog]

I specced the smallest SSD. I use netwomr homes. The mini is a stop gap waiting for the pro. Drive size Indont really consider a performance item anymore.

I spent just over $2,000.

Mac mini With the following configuration: Apple M2 Pro with 12‑core CPU, 19-core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine 32GB unified memory 512GB SSD storage Four Thunderbolt 4 ports, HDMI port, two USB‑A ports, headphone jack 10 Gigabit Ethernet

Im satauisfied.

[Maursault]

Not awful, but for $2K you could have had 16-core CPU, 20-core GPU, 32-core Neural Engine, 48GB unified memory, 512K SSD storage, Four Thunderbolt 4 ports, two HDMI ports, four USB-A ports, two headphone jacks, two Gigabit Ethernet.

[detourdog]

Yes. I wanted the 10Gbt Ethernet. My purchasing question is when is the right time to buy a great monitor. In the CRT days the monitor lasted the longest and buying the best one could afford worked for me.

[detourdog]

I just went back to compare the Mini with the Studio again. Despite your advice I would buy the Mini again for these reasons:

I'm on a newer generation chip that has a lower power draw. Meets my network speed minimum. All for the price of the entry level Studio. This box is basically an experiment to see how much processing power I need. I have a very specific project that will require the benchmarking of Apple's machine learning frameworks. I want to see how much of a machine learning load this Mini can handle. Once I have benchmarks maybe the Pro will exist and I will be in good shape to shop and understand what I'm buying.

I think a Mini of any spec is a great value. The studio has a place but I'm hoping the Pro ends up being like an old Sun E450.

This Mini experiment is to help me frame the hardware power vs. the software loads.

[Maursault]

> I think a Mini of any spec is a great value.

My second suggestion for 16-core was M2, also. $100 less with 1Gb, and with 10Gb it would be $100 more than you paid. i.e. two of the 8-core M2 Minis with 24GB RAM each would do about twice as much work as the high end Mini M2 Pro alone, sometimes less than twice the work, sometimes more. The same is true of two M1 Max Studios vs one M1 Extreme Studio for the same price. 2 less powerful machines spank one more powerful machine every single time, and one M1 Extreme Studio is definitely NOT worth two M1 Max Studios, same as one 12-core M2 Pro Mini is definitely NOT worth two 8-core M2 Minis.

Everyone is drawn to "the best," and that's where Apple fleeces and makes its money. Pretty consistently forever, the best buys from Apple are never the high end configurations. We may feel secure in what our choices were, doubling down on affirming them, but we definitely pay for it.

[detourdog]

I don't see a 16 core M2 or any Studio's with an M2. I was drawn to the latest chip Apple has produced. They put that chip in a small headless form factor. I shopped for a Macintosh computer and judged whether I wanted the motherboard bandwidth of the Mac Studio or the latest chip with the Mac mini. I'm sorry I disappointed you. I have retroactively looked over everything you have said and doubt I would do it differently. If this machine turns out to be such a dog I can get another one to pair it with as you have suggested I do with 8-core. Finally are you speaking from first hand experience or benchmarks?

I think the disconnect is that you are trying to get as much processing power as possible and I'm trying to understand how much processing power currently exists.