[javajosh]

Will you ever stop iterating on the chassis and focus purely on the replaceable components? Seems to me that a reparable/upgradable laptop doesn't matter if you keep changing the chassis such that in order to enjoy new features you need an entirely new laptop every iteration. It also feels to me, as an 11th gen owner, that I've been left behind with my power and sound issues. Which is basically the same boat as any laptop user.

[miloignis]

From reading the Ars review, it certainly looks to me like you get the massive battery improvements without upgrading the chassis ( https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/05/review-framework-lap... ).

Is that not your understanding?

Edit: The marketplace also has replacement speaker parts, like https://frame.work/products/speaker-kit?v=FRANBXFG03 ) - I'm now even more confused about how your older chassis is holding you back.

[teraflop]

Just from a quick browse through Framework's replacement parts, almost none of them specify which version they're designed for. So either they're all interchangeable with any chassis version, or the website has an enormous usability problem and can expect a lot of unhappy customers. (I don't own a Framework and I have no idea which of these is the case.)

[Macha]

The newly announced but not yet released 16" model has some also not yet released GPU modules that require a 16" chassis, but all iterations of the 13" chassis are interchangable and compatible and I believe the 13" parts work in the 16" too

[javajosh]

Just a reminder: I may not have read every resource on the internet about this subject, and you can share information without attacking the person for not already having it. And it's not clear to me that I can fix these problems, and I stand by my question and look forward to getting an answer free of blame.

[miloignis]

Whoh, I don't interpret anything in my response as blaming or attacking you, just asking why you thought what you did.

My apologies for coming across aggressively.

I interpreted your question as blaming Framework for limiting fixes to the new chassis, and wanted to know your source for thinking they were limited, as everything I saw indicated that they were not.

Does the Ars review I linked not indicate that you could fix your battery problems by upgrading the mainboard? (It also mentions that using the larger battery will be possible with a BIOS upgrade, which should further improve things).

[javajosh]

Thanks for that, there's a lot I don't know. I still don't quite understand what they are talking about with "Laptop 13". Is that just a new motherboard in the same chassis? that's not clear from the marketing.

[Brian_K_White]

The article, or maybe some other one, says it's a retronym. They started calling the existing ones 13 now that there is a 16.

The parts that aren't obviously for the totally different 16 are all actually compatible with the few exceptions indicated on each special part.

Like the AMD motherboard will need a new wifi card and ram I think, and this is indicated on the page for that motherboard. But it fits in the existing cases. Same for the new speakers, battery, hinges, screens.

There are some special chromebook versions of some parts and even they fit physically but I think just aren't supported in the bios except with the chromebook mother board.

So far until the 16 there have been many small updates but all compatible and no breaking changes.

The 16 is one new different platform. I think one new platform after 3 years is not a "constant iterating new chassis..." or however that was worded (phone won't show me that post until after I hit reply)

Basically it's not a problem.

(I have one from 2 years ago and have already replaced the motherboard from 11th to 12th intel, and the keyboard because of a spill. And am eying the speakers and the battery and the matte screen, and will probably update my hdmi & displayport modules myself.)

[miloignis]

Gotcha, no worries! The new naming scheme is confusing, because they're retroactively calling their 13 inch laptop "Laptop 13" (meaning, 13 inch screen chassis, as opposed to the new 16 inch screen chassis) at the same time as they're coming out with the mainboard for the 13th generation Intel processors.

The new 13th generation Intel processors, with a mainboard that should fit in your Laptop 13 (11th gen) chassis, should give better battery life, and I do think the chassis is about the same, though I think its got the stiffer back and hinges than your 11th gen (though you can order these replacement parts too!). I believe the new Ryzen version (coming out soon, I've pre-ordered) should also be quite good, but we don't have the benchmarks for it yet.

[stavros]

As far as I understood it, yes, it is the same chassis. I have last year's 13 and my understanding is that I can just buy the new components and upgrade my laptop.

[ThePowerOfFuet]

My understanding is that a first-gen chassis precludes none of the possible updates.

[dpatterbee]

My understanding is that every upgraded component which ships with the new framework can be purchased separately and installed in the 1st generation model. Indeed, this is the primary selling point of the framework. What source have you seen which says differently?

[flapjaxy]

I'm in the same boat. Though, I think about it differently; the fact that I can print a case and use the mobo as a headless server is a differentiator for me. I also don't know if it's possible to design an attractive functional chassis that doesn't need iterating.

That being said I'd like to see a recycling program, or some way to reduce the environmental impact from upgrades.

[pcdoodle]

eBay: The failed motherboards for instance will probably find new life from people selling their broken boards for $75, then component level repair shops can use the schematics to fix and then resell for $300+.

People do this with macbooks "logic boards" without access to schematics and now with framework, the barrier of entry is even lower.

Framework is doing something that goes back a long time, people like the parts swap capability (Long term car platforms for instance, created fanatics that became brand ambassadors and love to use this medium as an outlet to show off their ingenuity).

[kieranl]

The chassis is fully compatible with all previous framework laptops.

[nrp]

All of the modules are cross-compatible across 11th Gen, 12th Gen, and 13th Gen Framework Laptops. In the Marketplace, you can also use the compatibility filters in the nav on the left if you’re unsure.

[CarVac]

What's changed about the chassis?