[ryanklee]

I'm personally starting with learning Guidance and LMQL rather than LangChain just in order to get a better grasp of the behaviors that I've gathered LangChain papers over. Even after that, I'm likely to look at Haystack before LangChain.

Just getting the feeling that LangChain is going to end up being considered a kitchen sink solution full of anti patterns so might as well spend time a little lower level while I see which way the winds end up blowing.

[behnamoh]

What I didn't like about langchain is the lack of consistent directories and paths for things.

[leroy-is-here]

If this comment performative comedy? Are these real technologies ?

[ryanklee]

Not quite sure what the spirit of your comment is. But, yes, they are real technologies. Very confused as to why you would even find that dubious.

[killthebuddha]

I'm not an outsider but I also don't understand the reaction. I'm going to randomly think of 5 names for technologies and see how they sound:

React, Supabase, Next, Kafka, Redis

I mean, IMO "LangChain" is kind of a silly name but I feel like there's nothing to see here.

[EddieEngineers]

It's not that silly IMO, Chain LLMs together like composing functions, however I guess 'Chain' has a certain connotation in 2023 after the last few years of crypto.

[leroy-is-here]

Not dubious, I just read your comment and it felt like I was reading satire. Even the cadence of your words felt funny.

Anyway, I’m not surprised. It’s a new market, everyone’s in on it.

[homarp]

LangChain: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34422627

LQML: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35956484

Haystack: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29501045 or more recently https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35430188

[ryanklee]

You should have led with generosity instead of tacking it on at the end.

It might have saved me from having a ridiculous conversation about the cadence of my words, and instead there might have been a higher chance of someone saying something substantive about my assumptions regarding the technology.

But here we are.

[leroy-is-here]

I agree, I came off a tad harsh. Sorry about that

[ryanklee]

Thanks. All is well!

[WastingMyTime89]

It is satire. They just don’t realise it yet.

It’s pretty clear that we are in the phase where everyone is rushing to get a slice of the pie selling dubious thing and people start parroting word soup hoping they actually make sense and fearing they will miss out. That’s indeed what people often and rightfully satirise about the IT industry. That’s the joke phase before things settle.

[ryanklee]

How is it satire to be excited and interested in how to use compelling and novel technology? There's a lot of activity. Not everyone involved is an idiot or rube. The jadedness makes my head spin.

[WastingMyTime89]

It's not idiocy. If you don't see the slight ridiculouness in the world soup of the original commenter, I can't do anything for you. I'm not jaded. I'm amused you are all so deconnected from the normal world you think this kind of situation is somehow normal and not at all funny.

[yinser]

Why don’t you try shaking your fist at your computer instead of wasting everyone’s time in this thread. Touch grass

[jameshart]

Consider how similar your comment reads, for an outsider, to this explanation of AWS InfiniDash: https://twitter.com/TartanLlama/status/1410959645238308866

[ryanklee]

I'm not considering outsiders. Why should I. It's a reasonable assumption that readers of HN are accustomed to ridiculous sounding tech product names. Further, this is a comment on a thread regarding a particularly new technology in a particularly newly thriving domain. The expectation should therefore be that there will be references to tech even more esoteric than normal. The commenter should have instead thought: oh, new stuff, I wonder what it is, instead of being snarky and pretentious. Man, HN can be totally, digressively insufferable sometimes.

[jameshart]

I was responding to your confusion as to why someone might think you were writing a parody.

You ran into the tech equivalent of poe’s law. You said something that makes perfect sense in your technical sphere, but it read as indistinguishable from parody to an audience unfamiliar with the technologies in question.

[ryanklee]

Apologies for misunderstanding the intention of your comment. That does make sense.

[yinser]

There are more of us that read and shake our heads with you than these cretins who want to tear down - on a tech news site of all places. Don’t be dismayed, and there are more of us with you than against you.

[efitz]

Hahaha "The first step of Byzantine Fault Tolerance is tolerance" omg. That cracked me up. Reminded me of the Rockwell Encabulator: https://youtu.be/RXJKdh1KZ0w

[EddieEngineers]

Is it Pokemon or Big Data?

http://pixelastic.github.io/pokemonorbigdata/

[amkkma]

What do you think about Haystack vs LangChain?

[ryanklee]

I haven't had the chance to dig in yet, but my impression is that it's less opinionated than LangChain. I'd love to know if that's true or not, since I'm really trying to prioritize my time around learning this stuff in a way that let's me (1) understand prompt dynamics a bit more clearly and (2) not sacrifice practicality too much.

If only there were a clear syllabus for this stuff! There's such an incredible amount to keep up with. The pace is bonkers.

[amkkma]

super bonkers!