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by justsomehnguy 1128 days ago
> because there was something to gain

Or there was something to lose if remain in the current status quo.

> diplomats did the talking and they are usually disconnected from the goons on the ground doing that singing

Sorry?

>> [...] Goebbels' propaganda created what became one of the Nazi Party's central martyr-figures of their movement. He officially declared Wessel's march, renamed as the "Horst-Wessel-Lied" ("Horst Wessel Song"), to be the Nazi Party anthem [...] The "Horst Wessel Song" was sung by the SA at the funeral, and was thereafter extensively used at party functions, as well as sung by the SA during street parades.

Were the Soviet diplomats deaf?

> because it just says the Nazis think about the spirits of their comrades who were killed by the Rotfront

:rolleyes: Some people pertain the idea what the Soviets were totally clueless about how evil Nazis were[0] or what the Soviets were totally on board with Nazis in their evilness[1]. Sometimes both at the same time.

This song is a clear evidence what both the nazis and the communists were a 'natural enemies', what there is no fucking way the Soviets didn't knew that (see [1] again) and what if you find them working together then for the reasons you should look not at them but for their environment.

[0] rare, but I've seen those folks

[1] this is the default, especially if the history knowledge ends with a parroted response about Molotov-Ribbentrop

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So you were aware, that the lyrics you cited were no direct threat to the sowjets?

Apart from that, of course they were natural enemies. Mein Kampf and many other sources spoke about the concept of conquering land in the east.

And the sowjets wanted the world revolution. Also documented.

So why pick that example then?

Because with that, you could also "proof" that the Nazis were mortal enemies to the conservative forces in germany. Were they? As far as I know, not really and surely not as long as the nazis were successfull.

So I really do suspect, that you were not aware, but cannot admit a misstake now, like you cannot admit any wrongdoing by the sowjets. Sorry, but this is not a base for me for serious debate.

None of this changes the fact that Poland was invaded by both the Nazis and the Soviets. They may have hated each other ideologically, but politically, they were aligned at that moment. And even if they weren't sufficiently aligned by your standards, the Soviet Union still invaded 5 countries that didn't do anything to threaten the USSR, making the Soviets one of the aggressors of the war.