[rozal]

And no surprise how people in this thread rush to defend amphetamine usage.

As someone who was diagnosed several times with “adhd” - there is zero science to it. No medical tests to prove its existence. You’ll just get a drug after the first or second visit and who doesn’t want to defend their addiction online?

If you want focus, don’t take drugs. Exercise, eat healthy, self-discipline yourself

[waboremo]

This is objectively false. There are medical tests to prove its existence, there have also been numerous studies highlighting the differences in ADHD brains and those without it, one of them being far slower development of the pre-frontal cortex. Not just a couple of weeks or months, we're talking years of delay. The FDA has also approved testing to assess for brain wave ratios, specifically theta and beta, in which ADHD brains have much higher count.

For most people with ADHD, staying on the drug is the hard part. On top of all of this, there are ADHD drugs that aren't stimulants if one reacts negatively to it. It's not the 70s anymore. Pushing stereotypes is a horrible thing to do, please refrain from it in the future.

[pessimizer]

> There are medical tests to prove its existence,

Physical tests, or checklists?

[waboremo]

There's a misunderstanding here, you're asking about medical tests from the perspective of a doctor diagnosing their patient in the office. I am talking about doctors/researchers assessing the existence of ADHD through medical test studies, brain scans, and so on. Hopefully in the future as this continues we're able to make this more widely available.

[pessimizer]

> And no surprise how people in this thread rush to defend amphetamine usage.

The same thing happens on opiate threads. The people who have been on opiates for a decade explain that their pain is the real kind that can only be helped by opiates. Take anyone with no pain at all, put them on opiates for ten years, and they'll say the same thing.

Because it's true. If you take away the opiates, they will be in all kinds of agony. They may have created deficiencies in their reward system that will never recover. That's not the same as saying that opiates are helping people (in the long term), or that pain is a deficiency of opiates.

edit: and there's no way out of this other than stopping big pharma from funding patients' rights groups, either directly or indirectly, and/or lobbying through them. Patients' rights groups from the 80s on were the Patient Zero of non-profits acting as political front groups for large financial interests.

[pseudalopex]

Many of the people who have been on opiates for a decade explain what they tried before opiates and the difference in their quality of life. The issue would be simpler if we could dismiss them as junkies and useful idiots however.

[seanp2k2]

Also just imagine what would happen to the stock market if they cracked down on cocaine consumption on Wall St.

[ParetoOptimal]

> As someone who was diagnosed several times with “adhd” - there is zero science to it.

How can you state this so confidently?

> You’ll just get a drug after the first or second visit and who doesn’t want to defend their addiction online?

Do you know how much people with ADHD hate their meds and want to avoid taking it, but cant?

Then they avoid taking it for a few days for a break, but the break turns into 2 weeks of disarray without medication.

[grayhatter]

Can I assume you don't believe depression is real either?

Can you explain why experts believe there's science behind it?

[seanp2k2]

And I suppose type 2 diabetics should, instead of seeking medical treatment, simply stop eating cake and go for a run every morning?

[falcolas]

This is pure misinformation, and it would be great if you'd stop spreading it.

ADHD is real. It's helped with meds. Denying its existence because of your own bad experience is going to hurt others.

Listen to professionals' advice, not self-help advice.