[kerkeslager]

> But it's always important to remember that people believe their religions. And not just the clergy. The past is a foreign country, they do things differently there.

Sure, and I wish more people understood that. But that doesn't make it any less crazy or harmful.

And, the next step in understanding this is to recognize that we're not different. It's still crazy and harmful when we do things like this.

> They didn't imprison him for astronomy theory. Astronomy was largely not separable from theology. Both Galileo and his judges believed this.

Sure... and they were wrong.

[shjake]

> Sure... and they were wrong.

They weren’t. Theology was the primary (pseudo)scientific approach used to explain the law of nature at the time.

[kerkeslager]

The primary (pseudo)scientific approach used to explain the law of nature at the time was wrong. And remains wrong, which is why I'm willing to die on this hill--this ideology is still harming us today.

[shjake]

I disagree it laid the foundations for modern scientific thought.

It couldn’t have developed the way it did without theology and the Catholic church..