[andybak]

I know very little about Vice but even after taking into consideration everything posted here, I'm still rather dubious that this is sufficient to warrant the label "counterculture"

> You're just clueless.

And you're just rude.

[user_named]

Everything you said was wrong, yet you said it with such confidence. Why don't you just admit you're wrong and don't know what you're talking about.

[andybak]

I said

> I can't be the only person who finds the application of the term "counterculture" here rather a debasement of the concept.

which isn't an objective factual statement and is therefore neither right nor wrong. Maybe you meant to use a word like "unjustified"?

[user_named]

Vice was born out of and defined the counterculture of their era. Again you don't know what you're talking about.

[andybak]

Or maybe, just maybe, people have different definitions of loosely defined words such as "counterculture".