[mrelectric]

Sadly it's one of those things that you just have to feel for yourself, right? You can't explain it to someone in a way that they'll understand and be able to apply instantly. Esp since it takes conscious effort to be performing "no effort"

[nico]

This might not make any sense to you right now, and that might actually be a great thing

For me, the awareness of presence lies somewhere close to the awareness of something making no sense

It feels sort of like the intersection between pure feeling and thinking

I think that’s why in Zen they use koans, to get us to short-circuit our thoughts and gain awareness of the feeling of paradox

[jebarker]

I don't think this can be felt instantly after an explanation, but my personal experience has been that I gradually learned to feel this way through a regular mindfulness meditation practice. I used the Waking Up app for the past few years and it really changed me.

[nico]

Yes. Personally, it took me years to find the spot

But also there are thousands of different methods and descriptions. Some of them thousands of years old

This is a basic human condition and ability

We just don’t practice it or teach it enough