[int_19h]

My outlook is from experience. I used to be a believer in representative democracy, but I simply cannot reconcile that with observations anymore.

Note, by the way, that I'm not claiming that changes don't happen in this system. What I'm saying is that changes happen when the ruling class is convinced it's time for them, not when the populace as a whole is - and no amount of voting changes that.

The fewer people each representative represents, the closer it is to an actual democracy, which is why city councils etc generally work better (although they are still far from ideal and have the same fundamental problems I described). But the nature of modern politics weaves local issues into broader ones on higher levels, and what ought to be local politics increasingly becomes national.

[mulmen]

I honestly can’t even follow this. So you agree democracy works but it’s bad for… reasons? Can you be more specific? You have “experience” but you can’t articulate it. Sounds like you’re just jaded. That’s not democracy’s fault.

[int_19h]

I was complaining about representative democracy specifically. There are other forms that do not have the problems that I specifically outlined. For representative democracy, those flaws become more prominent as you scale it up, so on very small scales (like a small town) it works reasonably well, but it quickly breaks down once you have "representatives" claiming mandate on behalf of many thousands of people.

[mulmen]

Direct democracy doesn’t scale. It can and is employed locally but at the scale of the US it’s impossible. Our representative system accounts for that and is effective. None of your complaints are insightful or even coherent. You’re just whining. It’s not constructive, and I think it’s actually harmful. If you can’t be constructive then just be quiet.