[gisikw]

Enterprise Rails applications aren't for beginners. But this pervasive attitude that all of Rails is beyond beginners is an abdication of responsibility.

If a newbie still can't build a Rails blog in ten minutes, let's address that. "Rails is not for beginners" is shorthand for "I can't be bothered to support beginners"

[forkhammer]

I don't think that all of Rails is beyond beginners; and certainly, some people do manage to learn the prereqs while they learn Rails. But I'm advocating being blunt and telling people to learn the prerequisites, instead of mindlessly answering inane questions. People who try to bullshit program their way through an app aren't learning anything but how to copy and paste.