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for english-as-a-second-language people it comes no suprise you'd have an adjusted ear for the music vis-a-vis the lyrical end of the songs. if youre not putting together the words fluidly, youre not getting the 'solo opera singer on the stage' attention to the movie that the words provide.

when the words fail you, its important to have good production values to fall back on and enjoy in the song.

i believe most the people in the US however are words above all listeners, and will accept subpar production, because theyre focused on the 'opera singer and the movie.'

[anyfoo]

I don't know how that follows from what I said. I was talking about German Hip-Hop, where I do understand the words just like a US-native listener would in US Hip-Hop. And for that, "it primarily has to have a really good beat, and really good flow in how the lyrics are presented" is true for me. I don't know why that would be different in a different language.

(By the way, I've been in the US long enough that the same is approximately true for US Hip-Hop by now, but that's neither here nor there.)

> i believe most the people in the US however are words above all listeners, and will accept subpar production, because theyre focused on the 'opera singer and the movie.'

That's what I dispute. Obviously I have no hard data, but just at a cursory look it seems to me that, in US Hip-Hop as well, good beats and flow with subpar lyrics tend to do better overall than good lyrics with subpart beats and flows.

This is no different from any other genre of music.