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by hn_throawlles 1142 days ago
or if you wanna be a much blunter in saying this:

because this society NEEDS that there exists poor people, essentially people unable to refuse a shitty job.

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depending on what you mean by Needs, i actually disagree. For example we could all be a lot richer with automation ... it seems the price of goods typically plummet once they're automated and saturated. Eg: food, iirc food production uses like 95% less people than in the past and is cheaper than it's ever been (practically free, and the very poor can get it for free at foodbanks etc).

I do think if we automate the production of lots of things the price will eventually drop as economics says it will. The hard part is the things we cannot automate but also need.

the real issue is not about what I mean by "Need"

the real difficulties in these arguments come from defining (or trying to) what we mean by "this society", in part because society has many distinct (but intertwined) components

in regards to food, and those things we need but cannot automate, it's not so simple.

because of how capitalism works at dropping costs, in many cases what we actually get is lesser quality things that we absolutely need (like food).

When this gets really really nasty is when applied to education. made cheaper because everybody needs one, but also made shittier, thereby creating people who cannot refuse certain propositions and choices.

shitty education (shitty food) directly contributing to the continued 'availability' of poor people who cannot refuse shitty deals. in this light it could almost be concluded that this system is self-sustaining? ugh.