[marginalia_nu]

A lot of the time when old things are still around, it's not because through all the years nobody has had the idea to replace them, but because the benefit of replacing them hasn't at any point in history outweighed the hassle.

This is true for X11 and this is true for the QWERTY layout. The benefit of switching must outweigh the enormous hassle of doing so. It's easy to find something that's a little bit better, but that's simply not good enough to merit a switch.

Often they're around because when it comes around, they do a such a decent job and it's difficult to actually produce something that has that sort of advantage.

[Miraste]

X11 is finally, finally on the way out. I have a lot of gripes with Wayland, but the day I stop needing to dive into xrandr and figure out why the screen is rotated but the mouse coordinates aren't or some other 1990s level problem will be a happy one.

QWERTY seems to be too embedded even for that, but I wonder if it gets closer to replacement the higher the percentage of software keyboards climbs vs physical ones.

[shrimp_emoji]

> but the day I stop needing to dive into xrandr and figure out why the screen is rotated but the mouse coordinates aren't or some other 1990s level problem will be a happy one.

I'm sympathetic to wanting legacy mindhorrors replaced with modern stuff, but genuine question:

When do you ever have such problems xD

I've multimonitored on X11 for like 4 years and never experienced that.

[arepublicadoceu]

Have you tried to multimonitor different combinations of HiDPI + regular DPI on x11? Last time I tried to make different scaling displays work together on x11 the experience was so nightmarish that I went back to windows.

[BeefWellington]

Doing so literally as I type this. I can confirm it works and has for at minimum 5+ years for me.

[Miraste]

I run into problems like that a lot; I guess I do edge case things. That particular example was on an Intel Atom Bay Trail tablet (garbage architecture) I resurrected with a lightweight distro. It was a huge improvement, but there was no support for auto rotation, and manual rotation turned the screen but not the mouse coordinates sent by the digitizer. This meant touch inputs were mirrored or flipped or both.

This wasn't an old-school problem, either, it was three months ago.