[smoldesu]

If they're the best the market has to offer, we ought to start demanding better competitors. Apple is a cardholding PRISM member with proven backdoors in their OS. They're also a noted pushover and were fine instating total iCloud surveillance when China asked nicely.

It's a victory if you want it, but utterly pyrric when both of the options on the "market" are useless for privacy.

[CharlesW]

> If they're the best the market has to offer, we ought to start demanding better competitors.

Any legitimate competitors will follow the law in the jurisdictions it sells to, which is why this requires political solutions first.

[smoldesu]

It could be solved with a political concession, but it could also be solved by developing your OS in public so you're accountable for any "accidental" security mistakes.