[tastyminerals2]

So, you mean that loading a bigger project in Julia was more or less equal to compiling it with some language like C++? And you had to do it every single time in order to work with the project? This doesn’t sound too good tbo.

[krastanov]

That used to be the case before this version, indeed. It was due to how incredibly difficult it is to cache code efficiently in a language that (1) dynamically compiles things and (2) supports multimethods. Point 1 is crucial for the high performance, and point 2 is crucial for the incredible composability of libraries and reuse of code. To my knowledge julia is the first language to solve both with UX that is getting better and better. JAX/PyTorch/Tensorflow have some similarities (with long compile times for models), but lack the composability.

[tastyminerals2]

Come on. Julia is >10 years old. This was a language design decision many years ago, the shortcomings of which have been addressed much later when it started to be clear that it is a problem. Native code caching is available only since 1.9. This is great that the team worked hard on them, but if this was not an issue right from the start, Julia could have been in a different place today.

Hence, my ranting.

[krastanov]

I think the dynamical recompilation that made code caching difficult is from 0.6, the last release before 0.7 (the first stable release). From 0.1 (2012 or 2013) to 0.7 julia evolved drastically. They stabilized only in 2018ish. This seems like a pretty reasonable timeline for something no other language has done before (although, as I mentioned, pytorch/jax/tensorflow have some limited similarities, and similar problems).

[tastyminerals2]

I see. Right, 2017 was the first time I tried Julia and never came really back. Then the Torch, TF, Keras, PyTorch era started and kept ML engineers busy while I think Julia couldn’t keep up. Well, there is Flux. Not sure how it compares.

[jakobnissen]

It can't compare, not even close. There is just too little devpower behind Flux. Also, the AD landscape in Julia have been changing so fast that the ground has been shifting under Flux, so to speak.

It's a shame, because Julia is so obviously a good language for DL.

[adgjlsfhk1]

It isn't. That said, it's not as bad as it sounds at first because there are tools like Revise.jl which let you change code without recompiling.

[tastyminerals2]

I see. It’s a separate library, right? :) I hope this information is part of Julia tutorial.

[markkitti]

See https://docs.julialang.org/en/v1/manual/workflow-tips/#Revis...

[adgjlsfhk1]

It's a separate library, but I'm pretty sure it's used by ~85% of julia users.

[gugagore]

You did not have to do it every single time. There are many changes you can make that are handled correctly by Revise.jl

[GaryNumanVevo]

In practice, it's not a huge issue. Static imports are already precompiled and any code paths within your project are cached. Typically people will use a single session and use hot code reloading, so any changes in the codepath will need a recompile (on the order of milliseconds).