[simonw]

> Firefox, or even Chrome for that matter, is not a web dev tool. It is a browser.

That's an odd thing to say. Firefox, Chrome and Safari are absolutely web dev tools - they're the most powerful such tools I've ever used.

[tamarind8]

I think you need to consider the difference between a browser, and the web dev tools that come with a browser. Let me put it differently, lets assume chrome has 10 billion users. Out of all those, how many do you think actually even know the dev tools exist? 10 billion? 1 billion? 100 million? No. More like 1 million.

Please take some time to consider what I'm saying to you.

[simonw]

I see the developer toolbars as part of the browser as a whole, whether or not most users are aware of them.