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by substation13 1131 days ago
Free speech does not allow the right to do harm. We can debate where exactly that line is, but in my book protesting right outside of a clinic is harassment.
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If you can't protest a practice outside that very practice, how are you supposed to effectively protest anything?
Why does the protest have to be right in front? Isn't a march through the city just as, if not more, effective to get your voices heard? Of course you won't be able to terrify vulnerable young women, but it'd be great if we could all agree that's a good thing!
If you are mentally capable of doing something then you should be mentally capable of hearing that doing that is wrong - it'd be great if we could all agree that's a good thing, also.

Using the term "vulnerable young women" is trying to remove the agency from them, which is despicable.

> If you are mentally capable of doing something then you should be mentally capable of hearing that doing that is wrong - it'd be great if we could all agree that's a good thing, also.

Would you be okay if, for the rest of your life, protesters stood in front of your home and shouted "die for breathing, die for breathing"? Presumably not, right? Although you're mentally capable of breathing, which should mean you're mentally capable of hearing that doing that is wrong?

> Using the term "vulnerable young women" is trying to remove the agency from them, which is despicable.

Can you explain why? I don't see how any agency is removed from them. Pregnancy itself makes women more vulnerable, and someone going through a very hard decision will be impacted even more. Whose agency did I just try to remove?

Or could it be that you're just projecting?

By definition, breathing and killing are complete opposites.

I wouldn't like it if people shouted slogans in front of my house but they have a right to it.

If women are in a vulnerable, hormonal state maybe they shouldn't be the ones making these decisions. Either they can make the decision and go through the consequences, or they can't. There's no middle ground of doing something and then having people who disagree with what you did silenced.

> By definition, breathing and killing are complete opposites.

So? Did your earlier messages include anything on breathing or killing? There were no specifiers.

> I wouldn't like it if people shouted slogans in front of my house but they have a right to it.

Alright, awesome on you for consistency! I don't think they have the right, and I'm lucky to live somewhere that also wouldn't think so.

> If women are in a vulnerable, hormonal state maybe they shouldn't be the ones making these decisions.

Why are you trying to take agency away from women? Didn't you just say this kind of behavior is despicable?

Who's more vulnerable, the young women having the abortion, or the baby being aborted?

It's absolutely bonkers that convenience murder trumps the terrors of motherhood.

Obviously the woman, since the baby isn't a person yet that can be vulnerable.

Absolutely bonkers that the rights of a brainless clump of cells trumps the rights of half our population.

So no thing that isn't a person (yet) can be vulnerable?

Pets can't be vulnerable? Trees can't be vulnerable? Buildings can't be vulnerable?

Perhaps the baby is extra vulnerable exactly because it isn't a person yet capable of defending itself. It will become one though, unless someone murders it out of selfish convenience.

> Pets can't be vulnerable? Trees can't be vulnerable? Buildings can't be vulnerable?

Definitely not in the same way a human can! Or would you leave a person to bleed out after a car crash so you don't damage the tree more?

> It will become one though, unless someone murders it out of selfish convenience.

If we agree that the unborn fetus isn't yet a person, why are you talking about murder? Seems like it's all good to me.

No problem with abortion but protesting outside an abortion clinic isn't doing harm; not in the criminal sense at least unlike all the domestic abuse the MET have failed to prosecute.
A similar argument could be used for environmental protestors blocking a highway (the reason the bill was created) - they're interfering with someone else's right to travel.
Are the abortion protestors blocking access to the clinic? That's not the sentiment I got. They don't interfere with anyone's right to abortion, they are expressing their dissent about it (presumably on grounds of a child's right to be born).
Good question. Sometimes. In the US (but not the UK) I’ve seen images of women being jostled on the way into the clinic.
Protesting, or verbal abuse? Because I draw the line at the latter.