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by rak1507
1145 days ago
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<mean message edited out - despite me really wanting to be mean to someone who's been programming for longer than I've been alive but seems to lack reading comprehension> You don't have to understand APL to know what it's attempting. From the article it clearly is meant to return [0,5,9,11,16], your rust returns [4, 8, 10, 15] (at least the second one, the first one doesn't even compile!). |
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You're right, I didn't test the code, nor review it especially closely.
I took a quick glance for a couple of seconds, checked that it compiled, glanced at the primitives it was using, and said "LGTM". I wanted to know "What general shape will this algorithm take expressed a different way?"
You shouldn't expect perfection from someone of any skill level posting or discussing topics casually like this. The amount of time and effort I'm willing to spend on comments is limited – limited enough to allow an off-by-one error to slip through. This is commentary in an Internet forum, not a code review for a production system, or a formal publication.
However, I think the nature of the error and its fix actually reinforces my point. If one did review the Rust code closely (which I didn't – I was more interested in GPT's capability to explain the APL syntax; and what the algorithm would look like expressed in another language), then a mistake would have stood out:
If we want to return the index of the `1`, not the `0`, then `i` is the wrong index to return. I assume that's the mistake you're pointing out.Yes, it's true that I didn't even realize that the original algorithm was returning the second index of these elements and not the first. I barely skimmed those details before becoming entirely distracted by APL's syntax itself, and then started to wonder about the various other ways that such an algorithm might be implemented in another language (and how clearly, subjectively). "The APL code is opaque. Will alternatives be opaque?"
Yes, a mistake like this would be trivially caught upon a close review of the algorithm or code, or on any unit testing.
However, I think it bolsters my point that the correction to the Rust code is easy to understand – both the mistake and the nature of the fix:
(The only thing that's not immediately obvious is why `i+1` is guaranteed to be a valid index – which it is.)[Edit: Now that I've had time to actually run and test the code, a second error is that it omits the first group of `1`s. A corrected version is:
This returns `Some(i)` again rather than `Some(i+1)` because we've prepended a `0` to the input.]My comment is not about Rust specifically. It's just the language I chose. I assume the translation would be roughly similar in Java (with iterators), Python, Ruby, and the imperative version in C and C++ and similar.
And I believe in most of these languages, the mistake and its correction would both be easy to see and understand with close enough review. I'm not certain that would be true for the APL code. If you gave me that algorithm in any mainstream language, and asked me to look for mistakes, I could probably spot that problem upon reviewing it, and probably know how to fix it. (Probably, not necessarily.)
I do not believe that I could spot an analogous problem in the APL code nor understand easily how to fix it. My overall point is that the APL code seems entirely unapproachable to the un-initiated – even for a programmer experienced with numerous other languages.
(I might have similar difficulty with Haskell, but probably not as much; and perhaps Scala if it was written in a particularly obscure way.)
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An additional topic that I would be interested to explore is: what kind of errors would be likely in the APL code? What would the APL code look like that had a similar off-by-one error? Would it be easy to spot by reading the code? And what would the "diff" look like correcting it? I unfortunately don't know enough about APL to explore this.
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[In response to several edits of your comment that contained ad hominem attacks, and a lack of explanation of your criticism:]
Please follow the Hacker News guidelines:
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.
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> When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."