[deverly]

I don’t know how much their wages are to calculate their pay discrepancy that their employers are cheating them nor do I have their income statements. The employers’ responsibility is being put on to the customers. And then the customers are the assholes for guessing wrong.

[wrenky]

Its not that employers are cheating them- Thats the job and what it pays. Most waiters/waitresses are payed below minimum wage and make up the difference with tips. Its something like $3/hr on average, its even accounted for in the tax code.

Is this your fault that the industry as a whole legally shifts that responsibility onto the consumer? Definitely not! Does that make a person an asshole for knowingly paying less? Yes.

[deverly]

And the difference in their pay and minimum wage is? And the difference between their pay and living wage is? Maybe the employee it’s well compensated?

Again, the customer is asked to guess the restaurant’s payroll and make up the difference with the market wage. How does one know if they are paying too little? Or too much? Or just right? Maybe customers don’t want to play the guessing game.

Pay a competitive livable wage and raise the prices on the menu for the customer to determine the value of the product and stop asking/begging for tips. Done!

[wrenky]

Customers dont have to guess, just pay the 15% and leave. Thats just the standard.

If a company chooses to pay more, their prices go up and they cant compete. Even though its just shifting the cost from a hidden to a declared one, its enough where restaurants struggle and either abandon the model or go out of business. Its an industry problem that needs to be fixed at that level, you cant just say "Go out of business, Done!" as thats not a realistic solution.

[mikea1]

> Most waiters/waitresses are payed below minimum wage and make up the difference with tips.

It's slightly more complicated: hourly wage is the greater of ($3 + tips) or (standard minimum wage). So, the effective minimum wage is still the standard minimum wage.