[rlt]

> you actually had to manually put in the work and the hours to try and piece together multiple key points from 10 different sources to create one unique perspective

It’s supposed to be a bad thing that OpenAI is making the world more efficient?

[skilled]

It is yes, at everyone else's expense while making a profit from it. What's your point exactly?

[iinnPP]

Seems par for the course here(and everywhere). Society has become(perhaps always has been) incredibly selfish. The extent of the common persons concern for others is typically expressed on things like Twitter or even HN. The types are in the same category as NIMBYs.

[rlt]

It’s not a zero sum game. Yes, some people will get screwed in the short term, as they have in every past technological revolution, but all of humanity will benefit in the long run (well, if it doesn’t destroy us)

[brookst]

How do you feel about factory automation? Is it equally tragic that a sheet metal hood that took 4 people a day to make is now 15 minutes for a completely automated machine?

[skilled]

As it happens I have actually worked in a factory before. Not for very long but for long enough to get an idea of the said "automated machine". Factory work is probably one of the most exhausting and labor (mental and physical) intensive jobs you can get in this world. It doesn't matter that the machine does all the smashing and mashing for you. You still have to pick up the ingredients, you still have to move the product from one destination to another. All that automation does in this context is it makes you do _more_ of the moving and more of the pushing. It doesn't exactly render your job experience as a dreamy paradise where you just click a few buttons (and these days you do have to click quite a few buttons) and the job is magically done.

I am talking about creative work. The kind of work where people had to go and first identify the issue themselves (not to mention come up with a unique solution in the first place), and then tell others how to work with it. In fact, there are too many variables for me to truly express how I feel or think on the matter.

All I am saying is that OpenAI knew that they were playing a dangerous game, and their only excuse is that enough "powerful" people will back their project for it not be stomped into the ground by regulations.

Do you not find it pathetic that OpenAI talks about security, precautions, responsible AI and so forth, and yet at the same time rake in millions of dollars in revenue? Do you think their goal was to 'advance humanity' or something like that? I'd be very doubtful of that.

[ForestCritter]

I also work in manufacturing metal parts, mainly because it pays better and is more stable than using my creative skill, and I am currently without a workshop. Creative skills are often devalued on here as well as operating skills are devalued in factories. The 'industrial revolution' is often cited as the end all argument, despite a complete lack of understanding of the skills and labor required for both manufacturing and creative processes, to appropriate the efforts of said creative skills for free. And as someone who has had to 'wrangle the robots' in our semi automated line I can safely say automation is not nearly as widespread or glorious as it is made out to be. The data didn't fall from the sky and it wasn't created by robots. It takes humans to make data just like it takes humans to work in factories.

[brookst]

Everything you said about factory work is also true of creative work. Authors will tell you that it's 10% writing and 90% rewriting.

I try not to guess at motives and goals of people I don't know because I don't think they matter. It doesn't sound like your opinions would change if Altman submitted to a brain scan where you could verify his purity (or not), and honestly mine wouldn't either. And no, I dobn't see pathos in for-profit entities talking about safety. Carmakers, construction companies, and theme parks all do the same thing.

I see AI as a productivity multiplier, much as you described factory automation. And I see a lot of information workers suddenly echoing the same concerns we all ignored from factory workers, because oh wow now it could affect us.

[rlt]

> I am talking about creative work. The kind of work where people had to go and first identify the issue themselves (not to mention come up with a unique solution in the first place), and then tell others how to work with it.

I’m sure film photographers complained about digital photography when it was first introduced. And painters about film photography. Etc etc.

[masswerk]

If "more efficient" is alternative phrasing for "not reviewing the sources and context that go into my piece": yes.