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>It's hard to move away from established UI patterns like a hamburger menu

>when the did anyone start expecting a hamburger menu? all these old websites i used to poke clearly labeled buttons on all of a sudden have three lines one year. its like all these web3 node js assholes took over the planet within an 18 month cycle and brainwashed everyone.

That's why it's really not established, nobody really wanted a hamburger to begin with when websites used to be able to afford to serve steak.

The appearance of such a non-satisfying menu item has always lacked the flavor that attracts patrons the most.

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First, I actually like hamburgers! Probably prefer them to steak, to be honest - especially when cost is factored in.

The problem, as I see it: people went from nice useful computer screens to these tiny phones, with very narrow horizontal space. If you show up to a restaurant and can't eat steak, the smarter restauranteurs are going to adjust.

Some sites are able to figure it out, but lets not blame the proprietors for giving the people what they want: a horizontally tiny viewport for nav. If you use that space for nav, you don't use it for actual content - I'm sure people in this forum hate that as well.

[fuzzfactor]

Good comment, I also think there may now be more consumers using tiny touch phones who never had useful computer screens to begin with.

Something about the lowest common denominator, whether that can be considered real progress or not.