[gautamdivgi]

Why is tipping needed for a union negotiated salary?

Ideally we need to move away from tipping. It’s like a hidden tax everyone needs to pay. They’re supposed to be union so they can negotiate a fair wage. I do not like this descent into the tipping space.

[Apocryphon]

It’s fine to be so vehemently opposed to it on principle, but thanks to technologies like Square, Clover, etc., tipping is easier than ever. It has become a completely mainstream aspect of the shopping experience. Blame it on those payment providers.

So in practice, building a tipping screen into the payment system is as seamless as Apple Pay and for most customers will not amount to anything more than perhaps a moment of self-doubt or embarrassment as they tap “Other amount > 0” before going to the next screen of the flow.

The anger in this thread does not match the reality of what will actually happen if this was to come to pass, which it probably won’t anyway.

[gautamdivgi]

I'm opposed to tipping on principle. I understand it when workers are not organized and have no recourse to fair wage but have to turn to tips. I cannot understand it for a union shop. Negotiate a fair wage and say no to tipping dark patterns in society. I really don't care "how technologically easy" it is. That is just exacerbating the problem.

[Apocryphon]

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, I’m just saying the tech has enabled it to be ubiquitous. And when that happens, you’re going to get bloat all over the payment process- if it’s not tipping screens, it’s supermarket POS systems asking you to donate to random charities. At some point you need to take it as less of a moral social affront and just screen it out.