[tempest_]

To be fair to PHP there have been quite a few improvements to the language in recent years.

I even hear Laravel is pretty nice to use.

I'll never know that stuff though because the PHP I generally encounter is 15 years old spaghetti.

[giraffe_lady]

Yeah I also hear that and also have no idea because I'm permanently in that 5.6 shit.

[cutler]

PHP lost its identity with the release of PHP5 since when it is nothing more than an interpreted version of Java.