[muffles]

> Once someone has a psychotic episode, they are much likelier to have more.

An anecdotal observation of this in media is when comedian Owen Benjamin took a "Stars of Death" edible on the Joey Diaz podcast. It was argued that this was the point his big break with reality occurred (delusions and conspiracy seen everywhere). Another interesting observation is that THC seems to intensify the effect of amphetamines like Adderall. With the increase in ADHD and the presumable fix of amphetamine style drugs like Adderall common marijuana usage could intensify the amphetamine high massively which can exacerbate delusions and psychosis even further. Owen himself was known to use Adderall before shows to maintain focus. Quite an interesting area of research.

[operatingthetan]

Plus that combo gives guaranteed insomnia. The user wakes up from whatever sleep they did get, takes the speed again, and it's like nothing happened. This continued loss of sleep compounds over time and can contribute to psychosis.

[piperswe]

For some with ADHD, stimulants can have a neutral or positive effect on sleep. I know I can have the best, calmest naps after I've taken Vyvanse. Therefore, I wouldn't say "guaranteed" insomnia.

Once it wears off though, my sleep's not great. At least it's no worse than it was before starting medication, I've just never been able to sleep well.

[operatingthetan]

>For some with ADHD, stimulants can have a neutral or positive effect on sleep. I know I can have the best, calmest naps after I've taken Vyvanse. Therefore, I wouldn't say "guaranteed" insomnia.

You're talking about half the the drug combo in question, I'm not sure that's a useful anecdote. As I said to others, I would not recommend adding weed to your vyvance though, unless you are interested in personally experiencing the topic of this thread.

[copperx]

You don't even need the combo. Just taking Adderall several days in a row can give you psychotic symptoms if it's hurting your sleep every day.

[EdwardDiego]

I have ADHD treated with methylphenidate, and smoke weed recreationally, and that "interesting observation" doesn't align with my experiences at all.

[operatingthetan]

It doesn't work with MPH... amphetamines only. It's best to be at least in the same family of drugs when talking about interactions like that. I would strongly recommend not switching to adderall to try though.

[EdwardDiego]

Any info on that? They're both CNS stimulants, both phenylethylamines, why would THC affect them so differently?

But you're right that the narcissism of small differences is often made manifest in chemistry.

Just wanted to say though, if someone is getting a "high" from Adderall or Ritalin, they're not taking it medicinally, and that's the problem with these discussions, it's very easy to conflate prescribed use with abuse, which ignores the fact that recreational dosages are far higher than medicinal.