[nemothekid]

>are they bad people because they can't find a relationship?

They are bad people because incel forums are normally filled with crab-bucket mentality users who regurgitate highly misogynistic tropes up until the edge of being openly violent to women.

If you are unable to see the misogyny towards woman in many incel communities for whatever reason, at the very least I would say that they are bad for men because they tend to grow by reinforcing the idea that their community will never be good enough, that there is nothing that they can do, and it is the fault of society for all their problems.

[CyberWraith]

Incels have killed more men than women, look up Elliot Rodger among others. I don't think anyone's a misogynist.

[vlunkr]

This may not be the solid defense you think it is.

[CyberWraith]

Why isn't it a solid defense?

[vlunkr]

"They don't seem that bad, they've murdered more men than women"

[flangola7]

Because killing isn't a zero sum game.

[nemothekid]

I don't know why you think this is a good response. I'm familiar with his manifesto. They were "bad guys" who girls liked instead of him "nice guys" like him. It's the same crab bucket mentality all incels have that isn't healthy - instead of introspection, it's blaming other people for your own personality traits. The assumption that woman only like "mean, bad men" is misogynistic in it's own right.

If you are going to sit here and pretend Elliot's manfesto wasn't misogynist, then so be it, there's no point to carry water for these guys.