[sophacles]

I'm not saying they aren't posturing. Im saying that an R congress did this twice during Obama, at least once during clinton, and they are doing it now.

I never seen a D congress try to stop the debt ceiling being raised.

Both sides will go dirty over budgets, but this specific detb ceiling thing has a pattern. Show me how I'm wrong, don't just throw nonsequiturs at me that aren't about the thing I actually said.

[starkd]

No one cares about any of that political posturing. We can argue back and forth about who is going to get the blame, but eventually its got to be addressed or its going to bite us even harder than it already is.

Like it or not, the debt limit is the only time where we end up talking about it. As soon as its over, they are back to planning another infrastructure spending package. I'm still waiting to see what we got from the one in 2008 that was supposed to change everything.

[sophacles]

If that was remotely true, if it was anything other than a lie, why does it only come up when there is an R congress and D president? There are plenty of times in the last 30 years where there's an R congress and an R president, but it never was an issue.

If it was actually a concern, it would come up then too.

[starkd]

Maybe because the congress is the place the budget gets written? The president has little to do with it. Democrat congresses tend to initiate larger spending packages.

Regardless, that still doesn't address the debt problem.

[deprecative]

Democratic congresses also raise revenues. Republicans congresses are all about driving wealth inequality and cratering social benefits through taxes, and starving agencies and programs of funding.