[cpursley]

2001 was 22 years ago.

And some of the worst times in post Soviet Russia (and former union states). Truly hopeless and desperate times.

In reality, alcohol consumption there is down significantly despite all the grasping around to hate on them:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/01/russian-alcoho...

[paconbork]

In fairness, the original anecdote is about 2002

[slackwaredragon]

I guess it doesn't take long to fall back on old habits when you're in the trenches though. A lot of translated intercepted calls posted at https://www.youtube.com/@insightsfromukraineandrussia and reports from the front line talk about drunk Russians like it's an epidemic of alchoholism. They also talk about drunk Ukrainians on another one of the podcasts I follow so it's not only the Russians drinking on the front line.

That being said, I have a few Russian friends that immigrated years ago to Florida and they're not big drinkers. They were all from well off families though. Kinda like here, I suspect alcoholism follows poverty.

[kaba0]

I doubt Russia is doing all that well 22 years later either..

[cpursley]

It really doesn’t matter what you think or how you feel. That’s not how it works.

It’s an objective fact that drinking is down and life expectancy is up there.

Some people are so Rusaphobic on here that they are borderline racist. It’s gross.

[kaba0]

> It’s an objective fact that drinking is down and life expectancy is up there

Which doesn’t mean that people are doing fine there.