[Dig1t]

It doesn’t sound nice when phrased that way but I think OP is correct. The fact that doctors make 500k per year in the US is a good thing, because it takes a decade of dedicated study and long hours to become good at it, the reward is that high salary. A world where doctors and McDonald’s workers are compensated exactly the same is one where something major is obviously broken.

As long as the McDonald’s worker has some kind of decent safety net underneath them, I think having a large disparity in pay between the two jobs is just fine.

[MrJohz]

Except a lot of the time, the job market is a lot more complicated than that and years of study don't always correlate well with eventual earnings. I have a pretty basic bachelor's degree in computer science and I have never once struggled to find reasonably high-paying work wherever I am. I have a friend with two bachelors' and a master's who has studied far more and far harder than me, and she has struggled to find work anywhere in the country, and when she has, it's been far lower paid. My brother has studied at least as long and as hard as I have, and is as much an expert in his field as I am in mine, but because he got a vocational qualification in a less well-respected profession, he works twice as many hours as I do for half as much pay.

So while I broadly agree that there will always be some necessary income disparity, I think it's disingenuous to use such simple examples and present this as a "work hard; get paid more" situation. In practice, income equality has more to do with whether the skills you have are socially valued or not.

[ModernMech]

I don’t think when people say “income inequality is bad”, they mean doctors and McDonald’s workers should be paid the same. That’s a straw man.

[jhbadger]

Why is it a "straw man"? Doctors and McDonald's workers are paid differently in a market economy because the supply of McDonald's workers is far greater than the supply of doctors. If you don't agree that income should be determined by the market, why should doctors make more?

[ModernMech]

It's a straw man specifically because no one is arguing for this. A straw man argument is where you take a version of your interlocutor's argument that is similar, but in some way absurd for critically flawed. Then you attack that critical flaw as a proxy for tearing down the entire argument.

Here's the crux of it: "A world where doctors and McDonald’s workers are compensated exactly the same is one where something major is obviously broken."

Yes, it is obviously broken. The implication here is that the person arguing that "income inequality is bad" is unable to see this completely obvious thing, and pointing it out wins the argument. Because the poster has now "shown" the other position to be obviously wrong and broken.

Except it started with a misrepresentation of the position in order to arrive at that obviously wrong argument. Therefore, strawman.

> If you don't agree that income should be determined by the market, why should doctors make more?

Point of fact, doctors salaries are not set just by the market, because there is an artificial limit on the supply of doctors. If the market truly set doctors' salaries, they might be a lot lower. So saying "income inequality is bad" is not the same as saying "market dynamics are bad"; because here, as in many sectors of our economy, a perversion of market dynamics have caused gross income inequality.

[AndrewKemendo]

Is the life of a doctor more valuable than a McDonalds worker?

I’ll wait and maybe you’ll give me the fellicific calculus proof, or maybe the EA calculator.

But in the end it’s all made up to retain classes so that people have some way to “prove” that they are more deserving of things than others.

[lend000]

How can you be so sure? That's what it literally means. The onus is on them to better understand and convey their own position, if that is in fact their position.

[lamontcg]

Most people mean that the gini coefficient is too high, not that it should be zero. Income/wealth inequality is a floating point scale somewhere in the range of 0..1 and neither extreme is likely to be possible or optimum.

But that is a fucking mouthful which is why normal humans just say things like 'wealth inequality is bad' -- until the internet's favorite pedantic muppets show up in the comments demanding clarification.

[ModernMech]

One, because it’s absurd, so in making this assumption, you are painting them as absurd.

Two, because they are willing to tell you if you spend some time talking to them.