[Brian_K_White]

If they can track the token that way, that blows the whole point, the token becomes a persistent unique id.

The idea was to prove that a token exists without disclosing the token itself, nor any sort of 1:1 substitution.

That sort of thing is definitely possible, that's not the conundrum. What they said is one of the conundrums I have to admit. If the server doesn't know who the user is, then the server doesn't know it's a valid user vs a bot.

But I only agree it's a problem. I don't agree it's a problem without a solution.