[wintogreen74]

You're in the bullseye of the law enforcement pitch then. There are lots of ways to address armed robberies without mass surveillance. They'll pitch this as "one more tool to fight crime <x>" but you wait, it will actually be "THE tool for preventing a wide range of behaviors, some maybe even illegal!"

[loeg]

You've totally failed to respond to GP's comment. Do you think this will be ineffective at its stated goals?

[serf]

Surveillance has never been greater -- are cities markedly less violent than in the past?

(No, urban/city violence is on the rise..[0])

[0]: https://www.city-journal.org/article/criminal-neglect

[loeg]

Crime has been on a largely downward trend since the 90s. Yes, there has been a partial reverse since 2020, associated with a general breakdown in norms during Covid. But the broader trend is down.

[Dylan16807]

Please define "the past", because when I'm talking about lifetime trends I don't use 2019 as my baseline.

[michaelt]

I think it's very unlikely there will be a statistically significant increase in violent crime conviction rates when these cameras go into action.

[robopsychology]

I agree mass surveillance is bad however is some surveillance good? Coming from London the fact there is basically no surveillance such that the police need to ask people if they were doing their own surveillance to help with a case strikes me as crazy. Each piece of surveillance should be rigorously questioned but I don't think the answer to a safe society is none.

[nradov]

Back in 1968 the NYPD had an effective way to address armed robberies. Stake-out squad members would hide inside targeted businesses and then just shoot the robbers. However, this approach has fallen out of favor in modern law enforcement.

https://qualitypolicing.com/the-stake-out-squad/

[treis]

If Reddit is any guide, Brazil seems to have come up with the innovation of bystanders beating the crap out of any criminals they can catch in the act. Problematic for a lot of different reasons but you gotta admire the simplicity of the idea.

[squokko]

There are many of us who just don’t care about mass surveillance.