[HDThoreaun]

You know the vast majority of history is nothing but death and despair right? You can’t expect other people to solve your problems for you. At some point you have to accept that waiting for life to come to you will result in poverty, that is true of the 99.99999999% of people in every society ever. I get that it’s not fun to confront the harshness of reality, but your comments really do make it seem like you’re expecting people who don’t take initiative to just have things handed to them(to be clear I have no problem just handing people basic necessities such as food and healthcare, but good jobs are a privilege, not a right).

Acting like being in small town America is an economic tragedy is a gigantic insult to the millions of people who sacrificed everything to migrate to the developed world, and those people are largely extremely good at lifting themselves out of poverty when they arrive. Why are locals less economically mobile?

There has never been a more prosperous time to be alive than right now in western countries, we need to continue to work to make life better for everyone society, but there is no magic solution other than hard work.

[runarberg]

This is a bit rude don’t you think?

There are many tings in here that should be addressed, including simple respect for other people, and recognition of varying economic status, and the reality of impoverishment.

However I want to address the migration question. As an immigrant my self I take offense that you suggest that people migrate to “the developed world” (ugh!) in search of prosperity. This is a great simplification, and kind of a regurgitation of a popular belief which isn’t true. Most people—including my self—migrate because of family, second is jobs and education, these are people that already have a job or have been admitted to school and come on a special worker or school visas. Majority of immigrants don’t sacrifice everything, just proximity to family and friends, and most use their existing wealth to make the migration as easy as possible. In fact demonstrating financial viability is a precondition for permanent residency, meaning by far majority immigrants who can’t afford to migrate, or don’t have a job or a scholarship awaiting them, are forbidden by law from staying.

Immigrants who sacrifice everything off course exists, and refugees in particular take great risks while migrating, but they are a minority, and there is not exactly prosperity awaiting them, rather, a hope for a safer place to live. Many refugees have decades of poverty awaiting them in their host country, the more social services they get, the easier it is for them to actually escape poverty.

[HDThoreaun]

The United States has millions of illegal immigrants who did sacrifice everything to walk thousands of miles to get here. I’ve talked to many, they have all been extremely grateful for the opportunities the free market here has provided them. And obviously I agree we should people be successful. But complaining that there aren’t any jobs in your shit hole town isn’t a mindset that will get you anywhere. If the only job available to you is Walmart you should move, and finish high school too tbh. It really is that simple, and I’m kind of over the entitlement I see from these small town people expecting the world he handed to them. Because the reality is this country has plenty of decent, if not great, jobs that are certainly better than almost any person ever has had access too.

[runarberg]

DHS—a very biased institution that has benefits of inflating the number—estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants residing in the USA in 2018 (the most recent number I could find), the foreign born population that same year was estimated at 36 million, meaning undocumented were at most one third of all immigrants. By far majority of the 11 million undocumented came from Mexico or central America. The path to legal status is extremely difficult from those countries and it is reasonable to assume majority of them would had taken the legal route if possible and had indeed family and/or jobs awaiting them across the border. While some may indeed have sacrificed everything, I very much doubt that figure is much higher than in the hundreds of thousands.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/immigra...

But than again, listen to what you are saying. Do you honestly want to live in a society where people are asked to “sacrificed everything” just because they happened to be born and raised a poor part of the country? Would you honestly prefer people struggle all of their childhood and most of their lives as young adults, only to than be forced to abandon their entire family, just to have maybe a shot at a better life? It may just be me, but I honestly would prefer there to be regulations and social services in place such that these lives are made easier.