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by gizmo686 1148 days ago
Also, the OP pretty much says they are not in Ukraine in a comment:

> I think Probably the war will end because Russia and America are busy in Ukraine

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Depressing world facts in April 2023:

"I'm in a war zone."

"Oh yeah, which one?"

At least in March 2023 it was "slightly better" that people would go straight to assuming the answer is "Ukraine". Any other active wars going on[1]? Maybe Myanmar..

[1] Result for "active wars in 2023" gives me a page of potential conflicts: https://www.cfr.org/report/conflicts-watch-2023

The tigray war is kind of paused right now and Eritrea has not signed onto the ceasefire, so I would still treat it as a war zone if I were to travel there.

The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict could reignite if Azerbaijan wants to take advantage of Russia's distraction.

The Yemeni and Syrian civil wars are still not resolved

Western Sahara has a sort of no-mans land and a land mine problem and had clashes in 2020.

India's borders with Pakistan see skirmishes from time to time. A similar situation may arise with India and China too as water and geopolitical issues mount.

Correction, seems the China-India situation has already become similar with clashes in 2020, 2021, and 2022.
>"Oh yeah, which one?"

I mean, when has there ever not been several regional wars going?

That happened a couple of times, but that was because everyone was fighting in one big war.
Another way of looking at it is that there were so many regional wars between the Spanish Civil War and the bombing of Nagasaki that at some point we just started historically lumping them all together.
> At least in March 2023 it was "slightly better" that people would go straight to assuming the answer is "Ukraine".

Ignorants perhaps. Several other active conflicts predate Ukraine's war[0]. It's just that nobody cared much, maybe as the people dying weren't white?

Wanna have fun? Pair the Wikipedia link about armed conflicts with the stats about the major arms exporters[1].

.0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflict...

.1: https://www.statista.com/statistics/267131/market-share-of-t...

Don’t forget the not often talked about Colombian Conflict!
> Depressing world facts in April 2023:

Has there ever been a point in at least the last 2500 years where there weren't multiple active warzones in the world?

> Depressing human nature facts in any year

FTFY

Yeah I don’t think it’s common knowledge in the west that our governments are doing the color revolution dance in Sudan.
> Yeah I don’t think it’s common knowledge in the west that our governments are doing the color revolution dance in Sudan.

But Wagner (a Russian PMC) is arming the RSF which are the ones trying to overthrow the current government.

So I fail to see how your assertion holds any water.

Nothing about the Sudan fight between two warlords (the president and the vice president) has any of the hallmarks of color revolutions or of western-backed popular uprisings. There is no evidence of western military intervention, apart from hasty and late withdrawals of embassy staff. [edit: Which rather illustrate that the US and Europe had no clue that war was about to break out]. There is, moreover, no stated ideology or cause behind either side - which is a giveaway that it's simply a local power struggle.

To argue CIA backing must exist in a case where it seems manifestly ridiculous weakens the (already tenuous) argument that the actual color revolutions required some form of western prompting.

Part of the cause is due to the warlords needing to seize power rather than handing it to civilian government established in the latest revolution.
> warlords needing to seize power

Really? They needed to? And if these individuals needed to destroy their country in order to save it, that is also the West's fault for providing the population some encouragement to overthrow the last warlord?

I think that is a very interesting question. Do you have any moral culpability if you encourage people two points there are country into chaos and messed up, but for a noble cause. If you encourage people to revolt and they all die, is that blood on your hands or should you pat yourself on the back
Well, they didn't die because they revolted. They're dying because two guys are conducting a street to street war.

Which is more condescending and neocolonial: To believe (hopefully) that a country may be able to hold onto a democracy, or to think they're incapable and will inevitably fall into chaos?

My only original point was simply that this chaos wasn't the aim of the West - nor does it benefit anyone. But I always find these arguments that the West is responsible deny agency to the actors on the ground. Surely these two men realize that house to house fighting is not good for the people they wish to rule, and they don't give a flying fuck. To say their "need" to wage war is just a secondary or tertiary result of Western interference is to say thay all their actions are merely reactions, and has overtones of the worst colonial racism. At least the American policy of promoting democracy relies on hope for a more prosperous life, which is powerful enough on an individual level to overcome fear.

To answer your question, a polity can only do its best to promote its position and try to gain friends and allies. The American revolutionary cry of "Liberty or Death" goes a fair way toward absolving us of hypocrisy in promoting popular revolution in service of self government. People don't have popular revolutions without believing in what they're fighting for; the North Vietnamese didn't, nor did the Potemkin sailors.

One of our most shameful hours was failing to defend the uprising we promoted in Hungary in 1956. Yet if we had, the narrative against us would have been that we intervened with arms against some wildly popular communism we had fomented some fascists to fight against. We get no credit for the ones we won, that are thriving in their independence, like South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, all of Western Europe.

Hah. I'm ranting.

Like your username btw.