[nottorp]

Well... if you run owncloud (or any other alternative in fashion) you need off site backups and a plan for disaster recovery to match what an external service can offer. Backup machine or funds to get one at short notice.

If you use a 3rd party service they'll handle that too.

It's not the initial setup that's the problem.

[JohnFen]

> you need off site backups

Yes, but that's not technically difficult or time-consuming.

> a plan for disaster recovery to match what an external service can offer.

I'm not sure what you really mean by this. Isn't that what the backups are for?

[nottorp]

> > you need off site backups

> Yes, but that's not technically difficult or time-consuming.

Yes, you just pay for some server space on a cloud service... oh wait...

The point is all this trivial to do stuff just adds up, and sometimes it does make sense to use a 3rd party.

Your pain threshold may just be larger than mine.

[JohnFen]

> Yes, you just pay for some server space on a cloud service...

Which is far from the only solution. I have automated off-site backups without involving the cloud.

> sometimes it does make sense to use a 3rd party.

Of course. I'm not arguing otherwise.

> Your pain threshold may just be larger than mine.

Perhaps, but I suffer very nearly zero pain on this. I probably spend a couple hours a month maintaining my systems on overage.

[Dylan16807]

> Yes, you just pay for some server space on a cloud service... oh wait...

I consider dumb storage for encrypted data to still be sufficiently under my control.

[nottorp]

I switched from Dropbox to pCloud. They claim to offer an encryption option. I haven't studied it but it's there.