[anigbrowl]

I was around for the DoIoC the first time and while there's a lot to recommend that document, it's also pompous and arrogant in many respects, to the detriment of reasonable discourse since.

If your area has stupid beef, it's on you to handle your shit & make it so

Yeah yeah, nothing is ever our problem, it's always someone else's problem and other people's problems are stupid. Do you not realize how head-up-the-ass that sounds? A lot of regular people hate techies because they celebrate disruption and software 'eating the world' (including many people's livelihood and communities) while shrugging off any kind of collective responsibility.

What about when some group of people have legitimate beef?

[peterfirefly]

Have you read the American Declaration of Independence? It is definitely pompous and arrogant -- and also full of lies. It is genre requirement.