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by matheusmoreira 1157 days ago
> I don't think Telegram has a legal presence in Brazil though. How are they going to enforce the fine?

You're commenting on the news of their enforcement. They are completely fine with blocking Telegram nation-wide until they reveal the user data and pay the fine.

Don't give me that "good luck" speech either. The article mentions the same judges blocked Telegram last year. I submitted news of that here and people here gave me the exact same "lol good luck telegram didn't even submit to Russia" response. A few days later I got the news that Telegram paid the fine.
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bee_rider 1156 days ago
Paying the fine could be a reasonable decision, depending on their priorities.

Paying the fine and providing the user data basically renders the whole service pointless, right? It is better to be blocked in Brazil than to be useless everywhere I guess.

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germanier 1156 days ago
Although Telegram still claims

> To this day, we have disclosed 0 bytes of user data to third parties, including governments. https://telegram.org/faq

and the Telegram transparency bot states when queried from Germany

> No transparency report is available for your region. If any IP addresses or phone numbers are shared in accordance with 8.3 of the Privacy Policy, we will publish a transparency report within 6 months of it happening and will continue publishing semiannual reports.

German prosecutors seem to have received such information

> There were then some direct talks between representatives of the Ministry of Interior and the Telegram founder and boss, the Russian Pavel Durov. It was said that a willingness to cooperate was signaled. Telegram even named a direct contact person for the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA). ... The BKA has requested such data as email or IP addresses in "230 exemplary cases" so far. Only in slightly more than 60 cases was there even a response, and only in 25 cases was data actually transmitted. translated from https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/wdr/telegram-justiz-1...

So someone is lying and I doubt it's the German government which is trying to pressure them to give up even more data.

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din_sup 1144 days ago
That's shady. The court order is very clear about what data was disclosed (IP address and registered phone number of the group admin), and why the court deemed it "not enough" (they wanted the data for all the group participants). https://www.conjur.com.br/dl/telegram-decisao-suspensao.pdf
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matheusmoreira 1156 days ago
> Paying the fine and providing the user data basically renders the whole service pointless, right? It is better to be blocked in Brazil than to be useless everywhere I guess.

I would hope so. Apparently not.

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