Hmm. I haven't seen the latter in OCaml as much. More the opposite; when I first used it, things like list length in the standard library weren't tail recursive. 8-|
Now, Haskell and shudder Scala shudder, on the other hand.
Compared to Haskell, OCaml developers are generally not to fond of custom operators which shield you from some of the worst cases unless you are reading code an Haskeller wrote in OCaml which happens.
For a long time, most of the users were either writing compilers or static analysers for low level languages and a fair share was very knowledgeable in C and system programming. It had a huge impact on what was seen as idiomatic. You can still find trace of it in for exemple the system library which looks more like the C stdlib than a modern standard library or how the compiler finds libraries.
Generally the community used to have a very different "flavour" than the Haskell one (it was also very French to be fair). I think I t’s less true nowadays. Still I would fall from my chair if I ever encounter someone working on the OCaml compiler writing a disparaging disingenuous post on Haskell. Meanwhile, we are here which reflects exactly my general experience with the Haskell community.
Ppx are used more and more often however and it did make code harder to read.
> Still I would fall from my chair if I ever encounter someone working on the OCaml compiler writing a disparaging disingenuous post on Haskell.
This exactly. OCaml devs uniformly respect Haskell and give it its due props for pushing innovation and commercialization in FP. We just think OCaml is pragmatic especially if you ever need to scale up your codebase and team.
Oh, I like Haskell a lot. I'm a bit leery of using it because performance and memory use are still a bit of a dark art, though much less than they used to be.
I just like mocking Haskellers (and Scala) for the symbols. :-)
For a long time, most of the users were either writing compilers or static analysers for low level languages and a fair share was very knowledgeable in C and system programming. It had a huge impact on what was seen as idiomatic. You can still find trace of it in for exemple the system library which looks more like the C stdlib than a modern standard library or how the compiler finds libraries.
Generally the community used to have a very different "flavour" than the Haskell one (it was also very French to be fair). I think I t’s less true nowadays. Still I would fall from my chair if I ever encounter someone working on the OCaml compiler writing a disparaging disingenuous post on Haskell. Meanwhile, we are here which reflects exactly my general experience with the Haskell community.
Ppx are used more and more often however and it did make code harder to read.