[beerpls]

It’s as simple as this: refuse any and all interviews that require you to dance

I refuse to take those interviews. I had one company that promised they wouldn’t give me a live test, and when I told that to the interviewer who was trying to give me a test he said “hm, well we’re going to do it anyway”

I passed the test and was given an offer which I shot down for the company which respected my terms

In the end the other company was left high and dry when they needed the new team member

Just do it. Enough of us see this for what it is. If we just act how we think we change the industry

[Freire_Herval]

Here's the problem. If the company offers you 600k salary then the dance is now worth it.

The other problem is after lay offs, if all companies ask you to dance then you have no choice. Dance or stay unemployed.

Obviously nobody wants to "dance" and nobody would if they had the choice.

[beerpls]

So the only thing you can say in response is giving excuses why people must dance?

Sometimes you’re desperate and will do things you otherwise wouldn’t. That isn’t and should be thought of as the norm

[8note]

It's a negotiating term. Ask for more to dance

[Freire_Herval]

People don't have to dance. Incentive to dance is very strong though.

Here's the thing, when you look at the behavior of large groups of people the overall incentive is the overall outcome. As an individual you can resist but groups act predictably and follow straightforward patterns.

Think of it like drugs. You going to tell people to stop doing heroin and end the problem forever? No. You gonna tell people to stop dancing and end the problem forever? No.

The only thing that will bend the industry in favor of your idea is software unions. Centralized control can influence individuals to act in cohesion. Without leadership the short term incentive wins.

[beerpls]

You’re saying people are weak and can’t enable change if they chose to behave a certain way and instead we need more governance and powers above us

I fundamentally don’t agree. It’s simple: prioritize dignity in yourself and the world will give it

I don’t accept interviews where i’m required to dance. My career has only gotten better since I made that choice.

Even on the individual level you can make this right. It just takes effort.

[Freire_Herval]

>You’re saying people are weak and can’t enable change if they chose to behave a certain way and instead we need more governance and powers above us

Yes, I am saying people in aggregate are fundamentally weak. Certain individuals can overcome weaknesses but in aggregate we can't.

>I fundamentally don’t agree. It’s simple: prioritize dignity in yourself and the world will give it

Then you fundamentally don't agree with reality. Tell that dignity thing to a drug addict. Tell him to Prioritize his dignity and stop doing heroin. End the drug problem because people are strong. A few people will listen. In aggregate, nothing changes.

>I don’t accept interviews where i’m required to dance. My career has only gotten better since I made that choice.

On one hand you have control. On the other hand maybe you don't dance because you can't dance. There are people where "dancing" is equivalent to donating a dime to charity. A Trivial effort. To them the interview process is the equivalent of giving a dime in return for half a million dollars. Why the hell not?

>Even on the individual level you can make this right. It just takes effort.

The individual level is the only place where someone can refuse to "dance." For the industry to change it has to happen in aggregate. The aggregate change is impossible. There will always be people willing to dance, and there will always be people where "dancing" is a zero effort hand wave.

[beerpls]

It’s not impossible, you’re just giving up and refusing to be a part of the solution

The path of least resistance long run is demand dignity. The path of more resistance long term but ease short term is accept undignifying circumstances

You can make your situation and the worlds better by doing the right thing. Or you can sit and argue to a stranger why it’s ‘impossible’ to tell a potential employer to pound sand when they ask you to do something demeaning

Choice is yours