[nr2x]

The EU is so laughably ineffective and slow that I have no doubt OpenAi could do another 50 gpt-4 sized training runs with PII-pruned data before anything gets to court.

You already are seeing the likes of Adobe using legally-sourced imagery as a key selling point. I imagine the bigger momentum is going to come from companies who want to know what liabilities they have for using the tools.

[ajvs]

Italy already banned ChatGPT, and Germany is considering the same. Whilst the EU itself taking a hard stance I agree will take a while, just the fact that EU member states are banning it is forcing OpenAI to take a privacy-preserving stance to prevent regulation on themselves occurring as quickly.

[adventured]

That they moved to ban as a first step is indicative of their regressive mindset on technology broadly. It properly encompasses why Germany is so backwards when it comes to tech and has so few leaders in the field, while supposedly being an industrial and economic superpower. They're way too slow, they're too dogmatic.

The approach doesn't work and it indicates a lot of bad thinking regarding new tech. Which explains why SAP is one of the biggest technology companies in Europe, and they're small compared to the US giants now.

Case in point: Salesforce sales 2020: $17b; SAP sales 2020: $27b. Salesforce sales last four quarters: $31b; SAP sales last four quarters: $30.8b.

Microsoft can unleash a hundred billion dollars of capital investment at AI. Which companies in Europe can and will do that? None. Instead you'll get Macron touting a $30 billion government collaboration program on AI, which will take ten years to get anywhere, and will accomplish nothing in the end.

There are few areas of tech that Europe isn't left in the dust by the US and China. The US is still the world's pre-eminent superpower and it fully intends to aggressively utilize AI to keep its advantages (and it will, just as it did with each era of tech). There's nothing EU bans will do to stop that, it merely provides further advantage to the US as it battles to dominate AI. The giant cloud leaders will have a huge advantage to begin with, so Europe is starting off in a bad way regardless.

[nr2x]

Spot on analysis.

Only thing you forgot is Macrons powers of persuasion will surely just convince the USA and China to give France equal footing. Pretty sure after he single handedly ends the Ukraine war he’ll get right on it.

[everforward]

Color me doubtful. The big money for OpenAI is going to come from B2B, the majority of which is likely US-based.

The data they gather is also important to them as GP pointed out. They're getting novel data to train on that their competitors can't.

On top of all that, they're in an arms race with competitors. They're winning right now, but they could end up losing out.

If I were OpenAI, I'd have a long hard think about whether to play hardball here or not. Right now, it looks like they may get to pick winners and losers. I can think of at least a couple of countries that would probably be willing to make up the difference in revenue for a degree of control over the product.