[foxyv]

Every Vegan I know either looks like an underwear model or an athlete. Doesn't mean that all of them are like that though. Although being Vegan definitely stops you from eating at most horrible fast food places. Whenever someone asks me if I feel healthier since cutting out meat I just say "Beer is Vegan."

The moral arguments are pretty solid though. The amount of rainforest currently being clear cut to make way for cattle is insane. Ecosystem destruction is being fueled heavily by the demand for meat products. The US used to be covered in huge forests that were clear cut for cattle, way before any of us were born. Use of antibiotics is just one more aspect of why we should probably cut back heavily on beef.

The pricing does a good job of this, but I would encourage meat eaters to reduce consumption of beef products as much as possible. Maybe make it an occasional treat instead of the main course of every meal.

[stametseater]

> Every Vegan I know either looks like an underwear model or an athlete

That sounds like the vegetarians I know. The vegans I know look like cancer patients.

[tired-turtle]

Veganism can act as cover for disordered eating; perhaps that is what you have observed.

Related, I know many “vegetarians” who are what I call effective vegans, meaning they eat vegan ~90% of the time, recognizing purity as a pointless pursuit.

[stametseater]

Anecdotally, vegetarian seem to eat a lot of eggs, fish, etc. Yes I know fish is technically not vegetarian, but.. they call themselves vegetarian and certainly avoid other meats.

[foxyv]

Just saying, my experience with vegans is very limited. For all you know, the vegans you know are, in fact, cancer patients. Cancer patients are much less rare than vegans after all. Not everyone tells the people around them.

[stametseater]

> Cancer patients are much less rare than vegans after all.

Maybe in the general population, but not in my social circles (which skew young and urban.)