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by bedane 1144 days ago
Having to work at 80 is not a good thing
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Depends on where you live.

In Japan, your vocation is a really big deal.

People have been known to commit suicide, when they have been let go.

It's really easy to be dismissive, and project our own society's norms onto others, with a "That's so silly! Why don't they just..." modifier, but that's just so silly.

I've been to Japan a lot (Tokyo, mostly). I used to work for a Japanese corporation, and traveled there regularly. I had/have many Japanese friends.

Personally, I could not live in that society. There's a lot of stuff that would be far too grating for me, but there's also some really awesome stuff.

The same can be said for any society.

Actually, the japanese do offer this jobs to their elderly, out of compassion and duty, not exploitation.

Being without work, and without family, means being nothing, means abandoning yourself and dying.

I remember reading how many offices and what not keep -easy- jobs for the elderly if they don't want to retire.

Here in the west they will put you in an old-person house hoping you die sooner so they can inherit the house or whatever.

WTF

Moreover science seems to agree that keeping on moving, no matter at what age, is related to lower stress levels and higher lifespan. In other words: not wanting to retire might actually keep you alive longer and with a higher quality life compared to for instance a sedentary lifestyle. I mean I understand where these 'oh poor people still having to work makes me sad' comments are coming from, but also for me personally I'd rather be doing something (something, not anything, that is) I somehwat like at that age than having to spend days mostly sitting down.
Yes, it's about money too, obviously. But still, not quite the same.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/10/17/business/senior...

> Being without work, and without family, means being nothing, means abandoning yourself and dying.

No it doesn't. Or at least it doesn't if you refuse to accept that attitude. If you have enough income to live and a little left over you can take charge of your life.

I was afraid that I would be at a loose end with nothing to do when I retired at 62. But now like many of my friends I just wonder how I ever had time to hold down a job. Of course I am slightly privileged because I had a reasonably well paying job and have accumulated enough money to be comfortable.

It's not lack of work that makes life difficult, it is lack of money.

Exactly. These people keep working at 80 because their pensions are shit, not because they enjoy it. Well, some of them do enjoy it because they don't have any hobby and don't know how to enjoy their retirements, they just know how to work, which is equally depressing.
I read somewhere old people in Japan commit crimes in order to land in prison because life there is better.

But I stand corrected if this is an urban myth.

I live in Japan and heard the same story from Japanese people, so sadly it seems not to be a myth. It is not super common either, but it is pretty sad that it happens at all.
Feeling like you’re productive can feel pretty nice.
At least in my culture, older people feel productive by focusing on their family and friends. I prefer that to working until you die, but to each their own.
Keeps you alive
why is it not a good thing?
Having to retire isn't particularly nice, either