[dallyo]

> Even if the decision to buy was made after too much wine, he's had plenty of time to sober up since then

Well if he has bad habits, like a lot of us do, then its not just a matter of sobering up like it's a one time event.

> But that charisma has gotten seriously dented now.

The guy never had natural charisma in my opinion - a kind of glamour perhaps, from the wealth and achievements. I don't see the comparison with Jobs though, who was a natural salesman - Musk is a terrible public speaker, and should probably let other execs in his companies do the presentations.

Regarding the Stark comparison - IMO it doesn't matter how involved he really was with the engineering, or that he bought tesla etc - isn't it impressive enough that he made stuff happen? Can you nominate a better candidate for that comparison?

I don't mean to be confrontational though, and I respect your points.

[mrguyorama]

>isn't it impressive enough that he made stuff happen?

But he didn't make stuff happen, he just paid for it. Why should we consider "Have enough money to pay for someone else to do good things" an impressive trait? Maybe we should stop deifying management for just doing a useful thing once in a while in between all the milking franchises and wealth extraction.

[zaroth]

No one was more instrumental than Musk in making Tesla and SpaceX happen.

People who haven’t tried to run a company often fundamental misunderstand the nature the extent of the job, but claiming Musk is just “doing a useful thing once in a while in between all the milking franchises and wealth extraction” comes off like sour grapes.